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Old 06-16-2015, 05:45 AM   #401
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

The same botring also on NLHE? friend got $27 back, plays exclusively NLHE. (midstakes)
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Old 06-16-2015, 06:55 AM   #402
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

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Talking about segregation. Even if PS would only operate in western countries what would prevent those users to start botting like Russians and Kazakis do now? Strict laws against it?
Cheating at gambling is a criminal offence in the UK and if the UKGC could be bothered (big if) they could get a warrant and seize the computer equipment of a suspect.

Obviously they is no chance of them getting any co-operation from Russian authorities so, (once again if they can be bothered), they should be asking Pstars why they are allowing people from a country where online gambling isn't legal to cheat UK customers.
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Old 06-16-2015, 09:43 AM   #403
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

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The same botring also on NLHE? friend got $27 back, plays exclusively NLHE. (midstakes)
Pretty sure there is loads of NLHE bots. Bots have crushed MS nlhe for years.
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Old 06-16-2015, 09:48 AM   #404
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Pretty sure there is loads of NLHE bots. Bots have crushed MS nlhe for years.
yup, just assumed it was mostly on ipoker and other networks where the player standards arent as high as the ones on starszoom and regular ms+
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Old 06-16-2015, 10:59 AM   #405
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

They can be sort easily spotted from stats. That doesnt rate to be the case in the near future, detection needing to improve further. Counting in collusion, i find it unclear if my ring game has a longer future. Need to prepare and play hu on the side as preparation, though only covers a part of the problem.

Collusion cant be prevented, only possibly detected and too late until it can be made a legal case. Was thinking about segregated countries as an optional place but the action is lacking and cant be soon sure about them either, but i wouldnt mind an eu pool, that would be logical also considering it is an economic area.
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:43 AM   #406
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

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The same botring also on NLHE? friend got $27 back, plays exclusively NLHE. (midstakes)
We don't know if it's the same botring but there have been a few russian players dissapearing, mainly iddq5 who won at 3bb/100 at 200z for a while and was long suspected of being a bot. A lot of players got a refund not long ago, many people got 100-200$ refunds including myself. The cheater was playing 500zoom and midstakes and 5/10+ in 2014, but we don't know who it is.
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Old 06-16-2015, 02:20 PM   #407
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

Rumour has it that Stars is firing several people that work in its Game Integrity department "to reduce costs". If true, I have no words. Satire just writes itself sometimes.
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Old 06-16-2015, 03:49 PM   #408
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Rumour has it that Stars is firing several people that work in its Game Integrity department "to reduce costs". If true, I have no words. Satire just writes itself sometimes.
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Old 06-16-2015, 04:26 PM   #409
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

I think it could be dealt with, but the biggest problem isn't he bots, it's the networks. They pretend like it doesn't exist.
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Old 06-17-2015, 07:24 AM   #410
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

What will now change is that many of us will put more attention to where and what and against what we are playing. It also might increase tracking of players, though not that the damage can be undone.
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Old 06-17-2015, 08:51 AM   #411
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

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Rumour has it that Stars is firing several people that work in its Game Integrity department "to reduce costs". If true, I have no words. Satire just writes itself sometimes.
Surely if true, they are firing them because they did not do their job well, but are being fired under that name to avoid PR attention.
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Old 06-17-2015, 09:01 AM   #412
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

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We don't know if it's the same botring but there have been a few russian players dissapearing, mainly iddq5 who won at 3bb/100 at 200z for a while and was long suspected of being a bot. A lot of players got a refund not long ago, many people got 100-200$ refunds including myself. The cheater was playing 500zoom and midstakes and 5/10+ in 2014, but we don't know who it is.
There was already a midstakes 6max nlhe crushing botring on stars in 2012. The account iddqd55 was implicated along with 3-4 other bots that were quickly banned but for some bizarre reason stars let iddqd go and he went on to crush 200 zoom before finally stopping playing in jan/feb this year.
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Old 06-18-2015, 05:20 AM   #413
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

Anyone have any idea of how prevalent bots are in small stakes NLHE ?
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Old 06-18-2015, 05:31 AM   #414
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

I would assume they are most likely everywhere, including MTTs where they would be almost impossible to detect. It took the sharp minds and game dynamics of the mid stakes PLO guys to spot them
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:10 AM   #415
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:49 AM   #416
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Anyone have any idea of how prevalent bots are in small stakes NLHE ?
According to pokerstars, " not as big a problem as you might think"


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Old 06-18-2015, 07:56 AM   #417
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

Stars should make minor graphical/display changes to the software on a regular basis which would make it much more difficult if not impossible for any automated software/bots/HUDS to operate without constant manual tweaks and updates.
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Old 06-18-2015, 09:09 AM   #418
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

They need to change the protocols for depositing. You should have to supply your identification. If you get caught with a bot you are done across all sites. I know they won't do that because it affects their bottom line.
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Old 06-18-2015, 09:36 AM   #419
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

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They need to change the protocols for depositing. You should have to supply your identification. If you get caught with a bot you are done across all sites. I know they won't do that because it affects their bottom line.
Easier way would be to ban any affiliate that brings 2 bot.

Affiliates will help bots get on stars or other network because bots are the best rakers. Scare the affiliate into losing all his legit earnings and boom 70% harder for bots to get new identities.
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Old 06-18-2015, 11:51 AM   #420
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

LoL no. Exactly how is an affiliate going to know that some random signup on their site operates bots?
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:31 PM   #421
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

Spoken like a true affiliate. The bots use affiliates that they know and the affiliates know that these guys are using bots.

Proof: i know a few big russian affiliates and they know exactly which of their guys are bot and actively help them get on networks.

Everybody knows affiliates are scum.

All networks giving maximum 2-5% to affiliates would drasticaly improve the state of online poker.
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Old 06-18-2015, 12:55 PM   #422
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

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Proof: i know a few big russian affiliates and they know exactly which of their guys are bot and actively help them get on networks.

Everybody knows affiliates are scum.
Everybody knows you talk a lot of nonsense, REWKET.
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Old 06-18-2015, 01:07 PM   #423
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Spoken like a true affiliate.
Again lol no. I stopped all poker site affiliate activity long before black friday. Wasn't happy with the customer support I was getting so there was no way I would continue to promote the sites.

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Proof: i know a few big russian affiliates and they know exactly which of their guys are bot and actively help them get on networks.
Some solid proof presented there.
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Old 06-18-2015, 01:10 PM   #424
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

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a few quick fixes,

make the flop a captcha

randomly alter the view/layout of the table.

cut off players from russia

put on your thinking caps, guys
The captcha idea is not bad.
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Old 06-18-2015, 02:35 PM   #425
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Re: News: Massive PLO bot ring on pokerstars. Millions of hands. Huge winners.

Hire a kid for $5 an hour and the flop is captcha is no problem. Also I think recs would hate it too.
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