This has nothing to do with bumhunting. It's a bad idea, because it's tapping the glass and embarrasses the fish.

[QUOTE=0xRNG;47246047]- Multiple problems here. But it has potential[/url]

I agree with most everything you say... Disagree with a few. Sure, a bot could use OCR to get account information...But that only works if the bot is expecting to be asked such a question. Am I right? You could also ask the question a million different ways, such as... provide the last 4 of SSN.. backwards. If a bot requests assistance, staff monitoring the game would start to see the discrepancies, gather information about the client connected to the server, and further find ways to combat the botnet from connecting to the games via the information gathered.

How does a bot read a code from a hard token though? What if this hard token wasn't an RSA token, but a proprietary technology developed in house? In my OP, i mentioned that soft tokens wouldn't be allowed. Hell, in RSA soft tokens, you can simply click "Copy" with no OCR needed.

The purpose of my post was to get people thinking...

I think what we can agree on is that there are anti-botting solutions available... My point is.. they don't seem to be implemented anytime soon. Some solutions are more obvious than others.

My >8 figures number mostly stemmed from the "Army" i described that would be needed to monitor the games and run analysis, as well as my administrative changes that would need to take place to increase overall transparency.

If asked too often, i would get really annoyed as a player. For bot i would just OCR it, have dictionary of solutions so i solve this once all bots can easily solve the challenge. regex and lookup bot profile info, easy.

Worst case the same as a human does...ocr with webcam.
We just solved the bot issue, solution is called the antijackbot and it's simple super short games wich are also super hard for computers to solve. rake back is cut to zero and will be distributed over antijackbot.

I have seen evidence that botters are running bots almost exclusively in VMs on the same PC that they are running Stars on. Apparently Stars can detect that there is a VM, but often cannot determine what is running within it. So Stars does things like look at stats, mouse behavior (or keyboard hotkey substitution for most mouse behavior), etc. And all that evaluation takes time. And then what happens? Here is a quote:

I solved captchas, used Hotkeys,havent used any screen scrapping method, they got me after a few months, they monitored every process running at task manager. They wrote they cant prove that I was botting, but I was too suspicios to let me play, they blocked my acc and let me to cash out.

The option of using a second PC to run the bot (via a split monitor signal) is almost never used because it is said to be more expensive (frame grabber and another PC) and would still require an interface back to the original PC to click buttons (or hotkeys).

Once again, if players were required to boot from a secure (strong encryption) poker operating system, that actually prevented non-approved software from running, bots would operate somewhere else. There are more details, but that is the headline.

Not sure why you would want to show any losers list. there's no need and can only be harmful.

How about prohibiting the usage of VMs while playing poker?

Bots are going to kill online poker. Even if they become detectable the annoyances to the players to prove they're human will become so great that rec. players will just give up...they want to have fun, and it won't be fun playing in the future. Bye bye online poker. GG.

I am in favor of that. They often rename the process and alter the size to mimic something innocuous.

the strict anti-bot measures that should have been in place for years now would only be applied to winning regulars.

They would piss regs off because option 1 is impractical, to say the least. What we really need are suggestions that show an understanding of the IT side as well as a sound understanding of the poker eco-system.

Yes.

(And hopefully not the equivalent of the Nintendo up-up-down-down-left-right-left-right-B-A-start every time we want to view the flop cards, like that other guy suggested.)

http://www.iflscience.com/technology...logical-change

i have THE idea!

dont allow east europeans on some tables. you can restricted countries in some tournaments so they probably can do it in cashgame too.

imo, gold days will be back on 'anti east european' tables. a table full of british and canadians! can you imagine!

hahaahah great

I can imagine punching a whole in your face.

I can imagine you struggling through life.

What is the explanation for NLH players, many from Russia who:

Appear at small/midstakes. With no history of working up stakes.
Have W$WSF over 50, and Fold to Turn Cbet under 35.

Is it fair to rule out that new players are independently developing this strategy?

If so, either they are all learning from the same source (this source would likely have to be publicly known). Or they are being told what to do.

I can imagine agreeing 100% with dirk....something drastic might need to happen. w/e it takes, banning countries, certain parts of the world ect ect...the bots have to go one way or another.

This is not about PLO bot ring but as east eurpean i cant stand that so wrong words.

I have better solution - why not PS ban all winning players from all over the globe so that way some fishes can start to win... Its partly true that some poor players kills micros and the rich one cant move so lets ban the poor one and the last one will play bigger games and donate money there. Why if the fishes want to play more bigger games the money should go to u? What u cant say to some rich players that play bigger games and are destroied way more faster then if the play smaller games and what about if thay want to win somehow?Better to go to play with another rich player at any stake so he can lose it again so PS have to ban all micro stakes or poor players or winning players...

Gold days will be when the more rich countries join the global players pool - Spain, France, Italy and USA.

I think it's more about the fact that a lot of botters/cheaters come from that area of the world.It's nothing personal, im just calling it like I see it. If you ban this region, the amount of cheating and bots will decrease.Plus western countries deposit more so in the long run it would be a great thing for online poker.

WELL YOU know my country sux. I am from east europe. We have only one poker site left! Pokerstars.bg client which is the same but has no player to player transfer. I am no longer able to get any stacking opportunities.
Not only that but our RAKE is higher. I can make 5$/h playing nl5 zoom with 40 buy-ins almost risk free, the minimal wage here is 200$ a MONTH.
So yes you would prefer for me to be a real criminal!

p.s. I am cancer survivor and I don't get one cent from the State.

just saying.

Start banning people based solely on prejudice and add the US which just happens to be the source of the biggest scams of online poker

Yeah people wish to play poker freely on their country but fuc that, as long as you can get your cut fuc other people, they are worthless anyway right? I wonder, why not apply the same logic to your concerns? Who cares about if u get fkd? See where im getting at or do you need a draft?

And how do you know western countries deposit more? Based on what, your opinion?

You think banning certain countries will help? What about vpns? What about people from countries where online poker is not legal renting computers from GB and playing on it via teamviewer or programs like that? Do some research on how many usa pros still play on euro networks and affiliates helping them. These are poker players not hackers. Now imagine what highly competent computer guys can do. Imo there is no simple solution on beating people that are intelligent enough to write winning bots and are that computer savvy.

Can anyone provide a decent justification for why running VMs should be allowed?

Ya I mean in the future the eastern Europeans countries will be banned. It's more and more turning into a game where western countries lose and eastern European countries win. When I stop playing professionally I'm going to try and push for a large western European segregation, but that was nothing to do with these bots.