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Originally Posted by jiinkopp
If they can make bots that crush midstakes PLO, what is stopping them from making tournament bots. One of the suspected cheaters samanta81 has almost 200K in tournament earnings...
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Originally Posted by WateryBoil
Tournament bots would the easiest by far, it would be the hardest/most impossible to collude(mtts) but it shouldnt be hard to bot.
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Originally Posted by KingOfSwings
Bots beat NLHE up to NL2000 years ago. They beat zoom PLO200 in 2014/15. What makes you think they can't beat MTT aka the softest form of poker?
Cash and SnG's are games where a few small mistakes have nearly no influence on the long-term results. Fold to a min-bet, whatever... Tables can be chosen freely, and collsuion is easy as 123. That's a slightly different story in MTT's, where you often play for equity of 50x or even more of your buy-in in one hand during late-game...
I have no doubts that a bot can somehow beat MTT's, even without the benefit of card-sharing, but once ICM becomes a factor, and stacksizes differ heavily on full tables, there are just way too many factors to sufficently program a bot to play in them. And there is no big rakeback to collect for bots in MTT's.
Bots are build to be as close to GTO as possible, afaik, and that works disgustingly well in Cash and SnG's with their static and repetitive format, but except during the earliest stages of a tournament, GTO means nothing. It's all about exploiting the table, the opponents and their styles, making use of the different stack-sizes.
MTT's are simply the softest format of poker, because they attract the biggest percentage of fun-players. But the skillset that you need to play close to perfect in MTT's combines those you need for cash and SnG's, and adds a lot difficult spots (ICM-, opponnent(s)- and stack-size-dependend) in late-game and at the final-table...
I simply don't think that all possible spots could be put into a bot for MTT's.
Who knows, I strongly doubt it.
Last edited by TooRareToDie; 06-09-2015 at 03:31 PM.