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10-19-2010 , 12:51 PM

LetsGambool

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If you are an Illinois player, you might want to consider donating to the PPA to help fight this. Complaint alleges after six months anyone can sue you for triple your winnings and court costs. Lawyers in the thread say its not an insane suit.

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10-19-2010 , 12:57 PM

gregorio

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Just skimmed the thread, but if plaintiff wins, does that mean if I play poker vs. someone in Illinois, I should lose lots and I'd get to recover my loses threefold in court

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10-19-2010 , 12:57 PM

BigRed0000

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OMFG. This has to be a joke. Scott Crespo (the plaintiff) you are a ****ing scumbag loser. Seriously what a waste of human life.

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10-19-2010 , 01:08 PM

LetsGambool

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Originally Posted by gregorio

Just skimmed the thread, but if plaintiff wins, does that mean if I play poker vs. someone in Illinois, I should lose lots and I'd get to recover my loses threefold in court

Or just sue anyone you can find in Illinois who won six or more months ago and hasnt been sued. You dont have to play to sue. If he wins it ends online poker in the state and puts all money ever won by players in the state at risk of trebled losses

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10-19-2010 , 01:11 PM

creee

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cliffs anyone ?

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10-19-2010 , 01:18 PM

TheCanoe

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dibs on suing ChicagoJoey

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10-19-2010 , 01:30 PM

LetsGambool

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Cliffs:

Well known Illinois players being sued for their winnings and treble damages under a statute that says players who lose more than $50 at gambling can sue to recover their losses. If a player doesn't suee within six months, than anyone can bring a civil action.

Plaintiff hasnt played defendents, but wants three times their MTT winnings.

If this is valid, then
A) let Illinois player win monies
B) Sue Illinois player six months later
C) Profit! You get 3x the winnings, Illinois player is out three times what they won.

If it wins, GG poker in Illinois.

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10-19-2010 , 02:30 PM

nyrajf

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The lawyer is looking to make a name for himself: http://www.laverylawfirm.com/aboutmarktlavery.html

"Mark Lavery is a lawyer who has dedicated his career to helping consumers with credit problems. Mark is an aggressive lawyer who prefers to strike first and sue debt collectors before a client has to resort to bankruptcy. Mark started represening consumers in debt collection abuse cases back in 2000. "

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10-19-2010 , 02:38 PM

stinkypete

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lol. ******s.

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10-19-2010 , 02:48 PM

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macgyverlol

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Defendants should move for summary judgement. Plaintiff should get a life.

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10-19-2010 , 02:52 PM

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inthepub5

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lol america once again

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10-19-2010 , 02:56 PM

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McStinky

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Simple solution: Argue that they lost to you on purpose in order to sue you, and then countersue them for 9 times your winnings. Oh wait...

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10-19-2010 , 02:57 PM

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LetsGambool

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Originally Posted by McStinky

Simple solution: Argue that they lost to you on purpose in order to sue you, and then countersue them for 9 times your winnings. Oh wait...

Plaintiff does not contend to be a losing player. He's suing under a portion of the law that says if the losing player doesnt sue in six months, anyone can file a civil action to recover damages.

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10-19-2010 , 03:02 PM

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Actionjunkie

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Isn't the plaintiff also gambling, therefore breaking the law. Wouldn't the clean hands premise apply here?

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10-19-2010 , 03:06 PM

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novahunterpa

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Originally Posted by LetsGambool

Plaintiff does not contend to be a losing player. He's suing under a portion of the law that says if the losing player doesnt sue in six months, anyone can file a civil action to recover damages.

Right, this makes it even more disturbing

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Originally Posted by Actionjunkie

Isn't the plaintiff also gambling, therefore breaking the law. Wouldn't the clean hands premise apply here?

The plaintiff likely never played online poker ever, he doesn't have to be the loser or even ever have been dealt a hand before filing this suit

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10-19-2010 , 03:11 PM

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ReliableSource

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it seems ridiculous that a few players are being targeted when there are hundreds if not thousands of other players participating in the same tournament. it would make more sense to target the sites but of course that would never go anywhere. this is on top of the whole thing being scummy.

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10-19-2010 , 03:12 PM

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Texter

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Green Plastic better move to ohio.

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10-19-2010 , 03:53 PM

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AphexDeuce

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Weeeee. Another step backwards for the world! When the f**k are people going to wake up! This is beyond a joke

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10-19-2010 , 04:01 PM

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michelle227

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Personally, I loved the fact that he could not be bothered to proofread his website...yes, that misspelling of 'representing' actually appears on the idiot's website.

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10-19-2010 , 04:08 PM

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Stephen730

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Originally Posted by McStinky

Simple solution: Argue that they lost to you on purpose in order to sue you, and then countersue them for 9 times your winnings. Oh wait...

haha a litigative 3-bet.

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10-19-2010 , 04:19 PM

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Donny Cam

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Im in Illinois, when do the police raid my house for winnings?

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10-19-2010 , 04:26 PM

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RobBizzle

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This is so dumb. Lol Illinois.

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10-19-2010 , 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Donny Cam

Im in Illinois, when do the police raid my house for winnings?

Several months after you get served. Enough time to move out of state.

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10-19-2010 , 05:17 PM

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Andyfothershops

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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker

Several months after you get served. Enough time to move out of state.

Not sure about US, but in UK you have to prove that some sort of damage happened to you. i.e appellant a can't sue respondent b because party c broke his leg in a car crash caused by b, which in no way affected the the appellant, but party c waived his right to sue. There is also the neighbourhood principle which i could go into.

I'm sure US law isnt that different in damage principles