First, they stole from their customers, then they released proprietary data on a live stream, then they used a player's database who they previously coached to help to cheat him in a heads up match, and now they are using RTA to cheat.

Berkey and Solve4Why covered the relevant data in this video: Go to 41:50 for the discussion.





Cliffs: Simon from Zenith Poker has been caught using GTO Wizard in real time on Stars New Jersey.


He claims he doesn't use it, but the evidence in the video is pretty damning.



Just another reason to never affiliate yourself with these scumbags at Zenith Poker.

That’s wasnt cheating.

What they're being accused of certainly is.

GTO Wizard has updated their tool:

To be clear, there were 8 hands posted in the discord. I reran them through the upgraded Fair Play tool:

1 solid match.
7 false positives (different positions, stacks, format, etc).

Does that one match mean a lot

Hi,

I'm Simon "UrNighmare" Rudin.

Here is the latest update from GTOw themselves in regards to the 8 hands that I have been accused of using GTOw as an RTA tool with.



As you can see even for the lone "match" the turn is not the same.

Here are the 7 false positives:















As a final note from me I use timebank because I play 10-12 tables across 2 sites.

Regards,
Simon

This is still within the realm of coincidence. Will have to wait for PS to conclude their investigation.

This one I have a really hard time believing. Simon has been a crusher in the regulated US cash landscape for a long while. I struggle to see the benefit of cheating in one hand when in a sample size of one the variance of results are so vast that it doesn't even make logical sense to risk one's account balance, reputation, livelihood by using a program that has a cheating detection feature. For one hand, mind you.

If one's gonna cheat it is likely to be for many hands so one can reap the EV over a long enough sample size. I know this website really dislikes zenith but I'm not going to cast stones in this case.

I trust u Simon, hope this can come to an end soon and you go back to grinding normally!

Mike Postle really gave the poker community PTSD. Looking for the next scandal under every rock they can find. Hope you get your account back

I haven't come into the forums in a while but apparently my good friend is being wrongly accused in this scandal.

Not only is Simon a completely trustworthy individual, but I have visited Simons setup at his home a multitude of times to watch him grind poker and to learn things.

When I watch him, he has often used his full time bank (and before all this as well) thinking about the hands at 10+ tables.
Surely it must anger his opponents that he wins so constantly for years and sometimes slows the table down. It appears to be a total witch hunt by a handful of angry and jealous conspiracy theorists.

I hope that someone seeking the actual truth can correct this for him.

I haven't come into the forums in a while but I am posting to defend my good friend who is being wrongly accused in this scandal.

Not only is Simon a completely trustworthy individual, but I have visited Simons setup at his home a multitude of times to watch him grind poker and to learn things.

When I watch him, he has often used his full time bank (and before all this as well) thinking about the hands at 10+ tables. Surely it must anger his opponents that he wins so constantly for years and sometimes slows the table down. It appears to be a total witch hunt by a handful of angry and jealous conspiracy theorists.

I hope that someone seeking the actual truth can correct this for him!

This seems like a shitshow then. If this guy's not actually guilty, a lot of people have screwed up pretty badly here, including GTOW for releasing a half baked product that's driving a lot of FUD about RTA in the poker community.

Has GTOW done any testing to ballpark how likely false positives are? Seems like it should be pretty easy, just pick some representative timestamps (not random ones but ones that correlate to GTOW activity) and random boards and run them through the checker. Do this like 10k times and see how many hits you get.

In the other thread in the forum a couple of the hands had timestamps and they didn't seem anywhere close to matching the GTOw lookups. That should be step #1 for interpreting these results. Even the HH posted in this thread doesn't actually contain timestamps.

edit: another really important point for detecting false positives is being aware of how many hands you look up. If you check 10 hands and get 5 positives, that's very different from getting 5 positives out of 100 hands. Using a tool like this actually requires using your brain a bit and I hope the NJ regs have been doing that before publicly accusing this guy.

glad to see gtowiz is run by the best and brightest 2nd graders on earth

I know Simon and he plays ~100k hands/month. 8 hands popping up is absolutely nothing. When you further look into things, it was 7 false positives and the 8th one is also not the same board/flop and it's a different turn. People who publicized this should apologize and set the record straight.

I know Simon and he plays ~100k hands/month. 8 hands popping up is absolutely nothing. When you further look into things, it was 7 false positives and the 8th one is also not the same board/flop and it's a different turn. People who publicized this should apologize and set the record straight.

I've also seen Simon's set up and watched him play in his house before. He plays 10-12 tables. He doesn't have time to be looking up hands like this.

GTOWizard should have a delay otherwise it will kill its own business.

While I don't feel like I'm qualified to comment on the hands in question, I can vouch for Simon as a person of an utmost character.

We used to grind same stakes live and I can say with full confidence he's been an absolute gentleman on and off the felt the entire time. You wouldn't find a more pleasant person to play with than Simon.

I'd fully trust him with my bank account as well. We had a myriad of transactions for non-trivial amounts of money over the years.
In fact, I lent him $$ for his main even buy-in last year when he ran short on cash towards the end of the series and thought absolutely nothing of it.

Hopefully this silliness will come to an end soon so my friend can go back to doing what he loves most - playing poker

I support Simon on this. Something is way off here.

If a player solves a lot of spots where the board only differs in 1 suit (turn was 4c but solved for 4d) during those actual hands it surely is suspicious. If not, thats quite a big loophole. But im not sure thats the case here because we can only see the exact time of the solved hand and not the played hand

Don't blame GTOW blame the idiots that are fully convinced theirs a cheat under every rock

I can definitely blame GTOWizard. They're a major player in online poker and they have a responsibility when releasing this kind of cheating detection tool for how people use it.

I saw someone saying that that someone in the S4Y Discord may have tested 250 flops with random timestamps and gotten a false positive rate (ignoring the new filters they just added) on the order of 25%. If that's even in the right ballpark I think that's totally insane to release the product in that state and I think publicly pledging to expand it to bulk checking 10s of thousands of hands from the analyzer tool is going in the complete wrong direction.

One very simple change that would have a dramatic impact for checking screenname sites would be providing an ID of the GTOWizard user who looked up the spot. That way, if you're checking hands of some villain you played against and get 5 matches, you can see if those 5 matches were all the same GTOW user or five different ones--the latter obviously far less suspicious.

I am not involved whatsoever in Simon's CFP and haven't been ordered to defend him by my backers. I have known him for years, have watched him play 13-17 tables on a trackpad and can say that he has never cheated in anything, ever, in his life. He doesn't even have a gto wizard free version subscription.

I’ve known Simon for over a decade at this point. From the live poker days to his transition focusing mainly on 6max NL online. I’ve seen how hard he works on his craft and how much effort and dedication goes into each of his days as an online NJ pro. There are hours per day spent on studying before he even starts his sessions. I’ve sweated hundreds of hours at his home as he plays his normal 8-12 windows. I’ve seen him timing out constantly and it’s impossible not to when you’re actually thinking through decisions instead of just clicking buttons. Yes, he slows the games down but that doesn’t mean he’s cheating. To me this seems like a few fed up NJ regs banding together to rid the player pool of one of the most dominant regs.

Tombos21 has come out and said 7/8 hands presented were false positives and the 8th hand is questionable at best. To anyone thinking there’s some kind of wrong doing I would say first figure out the accuracy of this GTOW tool.

Lastly, I hope Berkey steps up and spends as much time vindicating Simon as he did ruining this man’s reputation on his podcast.