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07-20-2011 , 10:55 AM
Really great idea to get us organized collectively.

stolenbankrolls.com

Post your name, email and how much you have locked up on Tilt, Cereus, Eurolinx(still) and the major eWallets.
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07-20-2011 , 11:02 AM
Also, I would appreciate it if someone congratulated me on my 21st and 22nd posts on 2p2.
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07-20-2011 , 11:04 AM
yeah... my bankroll was 99999999999999999999999999999999999$
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07-20-2011 , 11:05 AM
yeah because random people giving you informations will give you a better clue about the total sum. also: noone will just give away name+adress+username etc
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07-20-2011 , 11:07 AM
wtf is the point of this other than for plusevpoker to gather email addresses
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07-20-2011 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by AsRequested
yeah because random people giving you informations will give you a better clue about the total sum. also: noone will just give away name+adress+username etc
This, I would suggest OP is either not very smart or a scam artist in either case I wouldn't trust him with your information.
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07-20-2011 , 11:12 AM
deleted troll comment as apparently site is legit

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07-20-2011 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by acethiest
This, I would suggest OP is either not very smart or a scam artist in either case I wouldn't trust him with your information.
The site is owned/operated by WiltOnTilt and jk3a. Aaron posted about it on his blog/the front page of +EVPoker. It's not a case of some random person looking for the details, Aaron has been researching these issues for months now.

Cordially,
ANobleGent

Last edited by ANobleGent; 07-20-2011 at 11:33 AM. Reason: Apologies :)
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07-20-2011 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ANobleGent
The site is owned/operated by WiltOnTilt and j3ka. Aaron posted about it on his blog/the front page of +EVPoker. It's not a case of some random person looking for the details, Aaron has been researching these issues for months now.

Cordially,
ANobleGent
Thanks for the kind words even though you misspelled my name . We def understand that many people will perceive this as some sort of scam, but as ANobleGent stated, Aaron(WiltonTilt) has a fairly involved ongoing investigation with the UseMyWallet/QuickTender situation and this site was born out of that investigation.

If anyone has any questions, please ask.
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07-20-2011 , 11:42 AM
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If anyone has any questions, please ask.
I don't think it's a scam, but I still don't understand what the point of it is?

Unless you're going to individually follow up and check out everyone who reports a number in, this seems totally meaningless (and even if you did follow up everyone, there are still numerous objections to any number that may come of this).

Has the first report of a loss of about $3.50 million been made yet?
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07-20-2011 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by heater
wtf is the point of this other than for plusevpoker to gather email addresses
Agreed, this web site is bo****.
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07-20-2011 , 11:48 AM
How accurate is that site?
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07-20-2011 , 11:55 AM
Impossible to get any sort of accuracy. There will inevitably be a lot of wums putting in 7 figure sums which are nowhere near accurate.
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07-20-2011 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MinusEV
I don't think it's a scam, but I still don't understand what the point of it is?

Unless you're going to individually follow up and check out everyone who reports a number in, this seems totally meaningless (and even if you did follow up everyone, there are still numerous objections to any number that may come of this).

Has the first report of a loss of about $3.50 million been made yet?
To copy and paste from the site's header:

"The purpose of this site is to get a better idea of how much poker money is locked up from government seizures as well as poker sites and e-wallets that have gone out of business.

Our goal is to use the data we gather to build more awareness about the current plight poker players face in an unregulated market. Through compiling this data, we hope to keep you updated about any news related to your stolen bankroll in addition to building media coverage and convince the people in power that the current status quo is bad for the players, the companies, and the government."

We def intend on trying to verify any of the outlandish amounts and delete them from our records if necessary. You make a good point in that there is no way we can get an extremely accurate number, but as stated in the first sentence, "the purpose is to get a better idea......and to build more awareness.

It seems at least one person has already put in a ridiculous amount and we will correct that asap.

Ultimately, you and many others may end up being correct that the site and information created from it will serve little to no purpose. However, we hope that is not the case.
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07-20-2011 , 12:02 PM
My head really aches from reading the first three troll comments. Publicity and awareness of wrongdoings are never "pointless" as one poster suggests. THe more media coverage and attention this gets, the better it is for everyone who has money locked up. It may be a mute point, but it may not be also.
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07-20-2011 , 12:40 PM
The poker community is always wondering why this news doesn't get more mass media attention.

This site, and what WILT is doing, IS going to get Mass Media attention. As the numbers grow, and once they begin to taper off, Wilt has many contacts at organizations like Forbes and CNN etc that are going to put this story in the spotlight. Infact, a very polished and reputable writer for Forbes has agreed to get this story in the spotlight once Wilt is ready, and the poker community should be behind him in this effort.

2+2ers, this is not a scam, and sure they know some jackass donkeys will put in wrong amounts, but they trust that most people are honest, and that they want their money back, and want a story on CNN.
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07-20-2011 , 12:46 PM
Imagine the value of all subscribers
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07-20-2011 , 12:47 PM
How the hell are you supposed to post a screenshot of your FTP roll, if you can't even access to software
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07-20-2011 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by hobsjeff
The poker community is always wondering why this news doesn't get more mass media attention.

This site, and what WILT is doing, IS going to get Mass Media attention. As the numbers grow, and once they begin to taper off, Wilt has many contacts at organizations like Forbes and CNN etc that are going to put this story in the spotlight. Infact, a very polished and reputable writer for Forbes has agreed to get this story in the spotlight once Wilt is ready, and the poker community should be behind him in this effort.

2+2ers, this is not a scam, and sure they know some jackass donkeys will put in wrong amounts, but they trust that most people are honest, and that they want their money back, and want a story on CNN.
There is nothing wrong with the concept site. The problem is the amount of information it is asking for is very dangerous. You can do a lot with it... The fact that this site was made by people who apparantly aren't morons makes me question what the heck they are thinking.

I'd really like to hear why they chose to ask for so much info which could be used for bad purposes.

I'm 100% in support of websites like this for spreading awareness but the decision to collect this information is extremely sketchy. For instance if I provided all the requested info for TUSK its quite easy that these guys could contact the liquidators on my behalf and do who knows what.... (not saying they would, just showing how much you can do with info or if it falls into wrong hands).

EDIT: Also as for tusk just look at creditors report for how much people are owed, roughly 5 million. No need to do individual count when its already been done.

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07-20-2011 , 12:58 PM
u forgot 'Potraiser' in the list which had been an entraction skin before they moved to cake network. Players are waiting for almost a year on their money...
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07-20-2011 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by acethiest
There is nothing wrong with the concept site. The problem is the amount of information it is asking for is very dangerous. You can do a lot with it... The fact that this site was made by people who apparantly aren't morons makes me question what the heck they are thinking.

I'd really like to hear why they chose to ask for so much info which could be used for bad purposes.

I'm 100% in support of websites like this for spreading awareness but the decision to collect this information is extremely sketchy. For instance if I provided all the requested info for TUSK its quite easy that these guys could contact the liquidators on my behalf and do who knows what.... (not saying they would, just showing how much you can do with info or if it falls into wrong hands).

EDIT: Also as for tusk just look at creditors report for how much people are owed, roughly 5 million. No need to do individual count when its already been done.
Ok I think the only thing Wilt could remove is the LAST NAME. It's irrelevant. Everything else looks fine to me!
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07-20-2011 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by acethiest
There is nothing wrong with the concept site. The problem is the amount of information it is asking for is very dangerous. You can do a lot with it... The fact that this site was made by people who apparantly aren't morons makes me question what the heck they are thinking.

I'd really like to hear why they chose to ask for so much info which could be used for bad purposes.
This is a very understandable concern and one that was actually discussed between the two of us during development. For example, we discussed leaving last name and/or username fields optional. The main reasons we decided not to do that was to try and add some credibility to the data and decrease the amount of fake submissions.

Obviously one can debate how much effect this would actually have on those two issues and a very clear downside is that some legitimate people would potentially be deterred because of this.
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07-20-2011 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by hobsjeff
The poker community is always wondering why this news doesn't get more mass media attention.

This site, and what WILT is doing, IS going to get Mass Media attention. As the numbers grow, and once they begin to taper off, Wilt has many contacts at organizations like Forbes and CNN etc that are going to put this story in the spotlight. Infact, a very polished and reputable writer for Forbes has agreed to get this story in the spotlight once Wilt is ready, and the poker community should be behind him in this effort.

2+2ers, this is not a scam, and sure they know some jackass donkeys will put in wrong amounts, but they trust that most people are honest, and that they want their money back, and want a story on CNN.
This site is completely pointless. They're obviously never going to come up with an accurate number this way. What % of poker players who are owed do you think will see the site, let alone fill out the form? Either try to come up with a decent estimate or just make up a number. What difference does the accuracy of the number make as long as it's big? Just say Americans are owed a couple hundred million and write the story.
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07-20-2011 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jk3a
This is a very understandable concern and one that was actually discussed between the two of us during development. For example, we discussed leaving last name and/or username fields optional. The main reasons we decided not to do that was to try and add some credibility to the data and decrease the amount of fake submissions.

Obviously one can debate how much effect this would actually have on those two issues and a very clear downside is that some legitimate people would potentially be deterred because of this.
Thanks for explanation. I mentioned this because pretty much all the info you are requesting is the same as the liquidators (who do all communications by email). Its surprisingly scary how terrible they are and how easily someone could impersonate someone else.
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