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Your game is about to change.

How do they get you back????

Your missing the point of the discussion. Its not about winning or who is smarter or better. ITs about how to attract the REC player back to the game. Or you can continue to have a system with REGs not playing each other and waiting for the occassional fish to show up.

We do understand what they are...................

I am talking about legal US sites. You do realize that most REC players from the US don't play on renegade sites like Lock etc???? So why analyze them for this discussion?

Please re-read the thread title. If you want to take the position that:

"Hey, Im a winning REG and I dont like this because it will cost me money". Fine, but its not what I was asking you. I am asking you what would attract REGS back to the game. The fact that so many REGs seem to be against these ideas, tells me that I am on to something.......

1 - You say that like a political candidate. There isn't much content in your statement. You followed with a list of suggestions which were mostly bad, imo.

2- You're doing it at a poker site. Your suggestions strike me as offering slightly better surrender odds as a way to attract casual blackjack players. Here's the genius, have legal poker in the US where casinos can advertise. Let WSOP.com put out a Superbowl ad. Make a deposit and play some hands, get a free night at your local Harrahs.

3- Postulate? You've decided and are restating a lot.

Sadly, most of your suggestions (and the other dozen threads like this) make sites better for cheats and botters. You think regs kill bad players. Wait until bots as good as the new one in the android store are playing everywhere. Oh, maybe iPoker and others.

I'd love to see the games get better. Other than legalization, I don't see any way it will happen. This is mostly rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

probably true.....what do you suggest?

This is your lack of understanding of how computers work.
It's always possible to construct a system to collect/create HH's and display stats (like HUD ,or on computer next to the one you are playing on).
You can access video card memory directly or have custom hardware which sends it somewhere or just put a camera, point it at your screen and do OCR from there.
Those are impossible to enforce and there are people determined enough to do it.

I btw agree with you that having a choice to play in games without HUD's/datamining should be possible in ideal world. It's just impossible to create/enforce this choice at this point.

lol. As long as you can ignore the spots where the things you wanted to try have already been tried, how can we even have a discussion? There is no data from legal US sites, as only one currently exists. There are plenty of legal euro-only sites that implemented effectively anonymous tables.

Let's just pretend we've never seen poker online and then discuss how it will be.

No, that's a reference to the way poker is played, not time. Online "poker" isn't poker.

Where?

No it isn't. I mentioned at least twice in this thread how it could be done.

I don't think all the things have been tried at one location, have they?

I'm not going to, nor am I able to, find every casino in the U.S. that may allow an individual to play at more than 1 table at a time. But perhaps the most widely known occurrence would be the time during the 2010 WSOP that Phil Ivey played 3 events concurrently.

Could you name just one casino?

(And not with Phil Ivey playing at the WSOP.)

I've played on HUDless sites. Sadly, vs. villains who had HUD. As long as the tables aren't anonymous, it is technically possible to create a HUD.

Of the many "Rec friendly" suggestions, a good number have been tried together at several sites. Segregation is new, so who knows? No HUD plus either anonymous tables or effectively anonymous tables (change you SN very often) have been tried.

I was able to multi-table live at the Gold Nugget at the 2+2 party. I don't recommend it.

Whatever casino this guy was at:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...84&postcount=1


I've seen people mention it here on 2+2, but don't recall specific threads or casinos.

I recall seeing/hearing about it a few times in AC a few years ago, but I don't remember what casino(s) I was at .... probably either the Taj or Harrah's. My memory is hazy and I can't state anythign with complete certainty here.

Coulda happened at the Turning Stone in upstate NY, but I don't remember for sure as I haven't been there in almost 10 years.


Also, in Vegas the Aria started (a few months ago I believe) a poker table that has 2 dealers and two hands are played at the table simultaneously. Here is a link to a thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...table-1273141/

The legal framework to enforce it does exist in the UK. All the UKGC has to do is consult then decide that gambling software supplied to consumers (poker players) needs to be licenced and produced under the UKGC technical standards.

The criminal sanctions for ignoring the rules exist and in 18 months time every major international site will have a UKGC licence.

So Richas, you are responding to a well reasoned explanation why it would not be technically possible to prevent people willing to break the rules from having HUDs with a legal explanation about why you could make them illegal? punter11235 is explaining how the people who break the rules will have HUD while the rest of us won't. You see that as a good thing?

I think you made too big an assumption here. I read the whole thread and, unless I missed it, there wasn't any mention of a casino.

Coulda been a home or underground game.

He could have been multi-tabling on a computer somewhere.

I don't think there's enough information in the thread to say for certain what was going on.

Regardless, in my wildest imagination I can't see a casino allowing multi-tabling unless it was some kind of special promotion like "Goofy Nite at the Borgata."

Do you mean a Zoom type game or something. A 200+ hand match with the same player would yield plenty of strong info.

BTW it seems to me these people are wishing their own death. I haven't seen it explicitly mentioned yet but it should be fairly obvious that the way you code a hud has more than a tangential thing or two to do with the way you code a bot...

Most people who play poker for a living are by no means lazy and are plenty capable.

Most fish have absolutely no idea a HUD even exists. They are amazed people play more than one table. The idea of segregating players by skill level is ridiculous when everybody's just gambling, pros are just shady hustlers that get lucky.
They're playing for fun and don't really care if they lose because they play at stakes they can afford to.
I'm talking about the log in twice a month with a few beers guys. Start introducing the rules above and they read about data mining and everything else and they'll just think they're getting cheated and do something else like play blackjack or w/e

OP, why are you posting with two different accounts in this thread?