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05-24-2018 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 7OAD
I played at 10NL yesterday and the people were AWFUL, I'm talking limp shoving 58s, donk betting pot on a47a 2s w k5o no FD sb v co.

I'm fine with criticizing stars, but doing it for no reason is dumb, this is a fun/interesting game.


Well, there goes the Sklansky “subtle collusion detected” right out the window. You shoved with K5 after all three 5’s are dead! Cheater!
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05-24-2018 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by HeroOfTime
Also the table theme is so freaking annoying, I wish they would change it, its burning my eyes.
I also really wish you had the option to just have whatever table theme you want, besides that I got addicted to this mode and played it for about 3 hours straight today.
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05-24-2018 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by omnishakira
can they stop trying to remake the game? its always terrible ideas

just bump the stack limit to 250bb on all tables
This. You can't even buyin for 100bb on these gimmick games.
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05-24-2018 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
I only skimmed the thread so I may have missed it. But if I didn't I am pretty amazed that no one mentioned that the biggest upside to this game is that anything but the subtlest of collusion would be immediately spotted.

Also besides the increased math aspect of taking into account the exposed cards, there is also the increased psychological aspect of adjusting to other players perceptions of you based on the earlier hands they saw you fold. Not only adjusting, but perhaps manipulating as well.

One downside is that I suspect that hands will take a lot longer to complete as players pause to think. Another would of course be that many successful algorithmic players aren't that good at thinking.

Though not a computer expert, I would guess this game would reduce all but the most advanced bot's edges.

I bumped into Justin B and Antonio E last night, told them about the game, and was slightly surprised that they both said they liked it.
Agree with these points. I like the idea overall.
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05-25-2018 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
I only skimmed the thread so I may have missed it. But if I didn't I am pretty amazed that no one mentioned that the biggest upside to this game is that anything but the subtlest of collusion would be immediately spotted.

Also besides the increased math aspect of taking into account the exposed cards, there is also the increased psychological aspect of adjusting to other players perceptions of you based on the earlier hands they saw you fold. Not only adjusting, but perhaps manipulating as well.

One downside is that I suspect that hands will take a lot longer to complete as players pause to think. Another would of course be that many successful algorithmic players aren't that good at thinking.

Though not a computer expert, I would guess this game would reduce all but the most advanced bot's edges.

I bumped into Justin B and Antonio E last night, told them about the game, and was slightly surprised that they both said they liked it.
The more I thought about it the more I liked it too. The massive reduction in collusion is a huge plus, and it will make for a more thinking but perhaps slower game.

The aspect I don't like is educating weaker players very very quickly on good strategies if they watch good players. A weaker player might not be that observant but you'll get that person's money anyway - to the ones that are paying attention the profitability in that game will reduce fast. It is likely that people will also catch on and start approaching the game in the right way upon observation - ex. you see someone fold AJo UTG+1 then raise T9s or whatever, weaker players receive an invaluable education but in the grand scheme that may not be a downside to the game.
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05-25-2018 , 03:53 AM
I like this and think it would be even better for PLO.
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05-25-2018 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 7OAD
I played at 10NL yesterday and the people were AWFUL, I'm talking limp shoving 58s, donk betting pot on a47a 2s w k5o no FD sb v co.

I'm fine with criticizing stars, but doing it for no reason is dumb, this is a fun/interesting game.
You say that people at 10NL are awful. Really? This is allmost brand new information.
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05-25-2018 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SeaKing
I like this and think it would be even better for PLO.
I think that would be too many exposed cards and would slow down the game and/or put too much emphasis on those who have a skill that differs substantially from normal poker skill.
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05-25-2018 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by KossuKukkula
You say that people at 10NL are awful. Really? This is allmost brand new information.
I've played around 10k hands at 10NL in zoom, I saw things within 50 hands that I don't think I ever saw at 10NL zoom, but thanks for the smart ass comment assclown.
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05-25-2018 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 7OAD
I've played around 10k hands at 10NL in zoom, I saw things within 50 hands that I don't think I ever saw at 10NL zoom, but thanks for the smart ass comment assclown.
Ain't my fault you can't beat NL10.
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05-25-2018 , 05:19 PM
Just waiting for the bright minds at Stars to finish with all their Poker innovations so they can get around to reinventing something more practical and far-reaching...like say...the wheel?
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05-26-2018 , 08:17 AM
Still didn't find any rakeinformation. I assume it's the same rake as the equivalent NLHE 6max games, correct? Do we have rke experts here that know this?
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05-26-2018 , 07:38 PM
yes its the same
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05-27-2018 , 04:11 AM
Think that it should be anonymous as the in play collusion possibilities are reduced. Having usernames means that tracking and sharing histories will allow some players to have very precise info on their opponents.
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05-28-2018 , 12:42 PM
No fan of Stars over the last few years but this is one of the best things to happen in online poker for a long time and I hope they keep the format and the other poker sites follow suit.

I don't run a colluding bot ring and I don't have a huge Skype group (or indeed any Skype group) of players to "discuss hands" with. As such, I'm on my own and very aware that the colluding sharks are circling any time I play online. I have limited my online play significantly because of this and I wonder how many other losing online players have realised that poker is not rigged, it's just that if your opponent knows the folded cards of 3 or 4 opponents, unlikely events will happen a little more often, putting you at a big disadvantage.

This format significantly reduces collusion opportunities and levels the playing field against cheating players and bots. Furthermore, it adds complexity to the game...so if Jh3h, Jc3c and T8 have been folded behind, how does this impact on your button range with say JsTs or 3d3s?

I suspect other recs who are too cautious to play a regular online cash game too often will be much happier to put their money on the table for this format...which is a good thing for everyone.
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05-29-2018 , 08:38 PM
wsop ran a show me series of tournaments in nj doing this already. it was an interesting experience
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05-30-2018 , 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by roymunson888
wsop ran a show me series of tournaments in nj doing this already. it was an interesting experience
Show Me is quite different. In that case only the winner shows, even if everyone folds. 888 has this format and considering they provide the software for WSOP is it no surprise.
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05-30-2018 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 8gameisfun
Power Up is not a rake grab, there are people beating it for 15+% ROI over many thousands of games, myself included. People are largely sleeping on this variant.
I'm not sleeping, just the prospect of earning $25-50 an hour at the highest available stake - $15 - isn't very appealing when other games pay off better for the learning effort, allowing to earn $100+ an hour at the top stakes (that take longer to reach but at least exist). I agree that PU is great as a bankroll (re)builder in emergencies and makes sense to play when BR<$500.
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06-01-2018 , 09:35 AM
Looks interesting. I like the idea a lot. I bet thousands of people will have thought of it and be lamenting the loss of "their" idea.
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06-01-2018 , 09:59 AM
This was the first home game I played in 2003 or so, because we misunderstood the regular rules for a while.
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06-01-2018 , 07:18 PM
I don't see this format anymore.
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06-01-2018 , 07:34 PM
There was an emergency restart of the servers 4 hours ago. That said, I can still observe Showtime in the .com lobby right now (in Russia).

Try restarting your client just in case.
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06-04-2018 , 04:26 AM
It is not back on Android client
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