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10-17-2020 , 12:38 PM
So according to some people in the german discord, once you have registered your account in Germany, you won't be able to play without restrictions even if you are abroad. WTF?
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10-17-2020 , 12:40 PM
gosh.. this sounds awful
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10-18-2020 , 08:25 AM
Hmm seems Stars hasnt implemented a table limit yet. Started with an MTT, added 4 zoom and once I finished the challenge I added another zoom just to see what happens. Could play on all 6 of them.
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10-19-2020 , 09:34 AM
Can't player higher than 5/10 on GGpoker? Anyone know if they will be allowing German players in the future?
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10-19-2020 , 11:45 AM
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Can't player higher than 5/10 on GGpoker? Anyone know if they will be allowing German players in the future?
omaha 10/20 is available
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10-20-2020 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by cocacola2
Can't player higher than 5/10 on GGpoker? Anyone know if they will be allowing German players in the future?

GG have stated that VIP tables are shut to Germans only temporarily while they implement a blind lobby for these games. Same with short deck.
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10-20-2020 , 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by wegg
So according to some people in the german discord, once you have registered your account in Germany, you won't be able to play without restrictions even if you are abroad. WTF?
i don't have detail, but i can imagine, it's not an easy task to implement the restrictions. so if they "hard wire" it, it's based on registration not location.

btw i wonder how long it will take until a "DE client" is out. from the technical standpoint it shouldn't be a problem, but i think the delay is b/c of licencing. the current de-client is playmoney only with separate restrictions. most will prolly remember the tv shows. to my understanding the sponsoring was only possible, b/c the clear distinction between playmoney (yellow spade) and real money (red spade). so it seems "just moving the rm client to DE" isn't that easy.
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10-20-2020 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by NerdSuperfly
i don't have detail, but i can imagine, it's not an easy task to implement the restrictions. so if they "hard wire" it, it's based on registration not location.

btw i wonder how long it will take until a "DE client" is out. from the technical standpoint it shouldn't be a problem, but i think the delay is b/c of licencing. the current de-client is playmoney only with separate restrictions. most will prolly remember the tv shows. to my understanding the sponsoring was only possible, b/c the clear distinction between playmoney (yellow spade) and real money (red spade). so it seems "just moving the rm client to DE" isn't that easy.
Well then, shouldn't I be allowed to register an additional account whenever I'm outside Germany in the EU? Otherwise, an EU company would ban from using its services based on my residency which violates EU law. What if I'm maltese, have residency in Germany but spend my holidays in Malta? How is the German state going to dictate that I can't play without restrictions? Seems a bit crazy to me.
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10-20-2020 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by wegg
Well then, shouldn't I be allowed to register an additional account whenever I'm outside Germany in the EU? Otherwise, an EU company would ban from using its services based on my residency which violates EU law. What if I'm maltese, have residency in Germany but spend my holidays in Malta? How is the German state going to dictate that I can't play without restrictions? Seems a bit crazy to me.
It's likely gonna be the same as when Sweden imposed new laws in 2019, if you moved from the country post changes you'll have to create new accounts on all sites and withdraw you german accounts, you won't be able to play on your new accounts if you're in Germany though.
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10-20-2020 , 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by wegg
Well then, shouldn't I be allowed to register an additional account whenever I'm outside Germany in the EU? Otherwise, an EU company would ban from using its services based on my residency which violates EU law. What if I'm maltese, have residency in Germany but spend my holidays in Malta? How is the German state going to dictate that I can't play without restrictions?.
if there would be a separate RM client for DE, it would prolly fairly straight forward jumping platforms, in case a player travels. and just to be clear, i've only speculated, why it might take a while, until a DE-client is available and why the restrictions are based on where a player is registered.

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Seems a bit crazy to me.
well it is crazy. i think the main issue is, that the "2-week notice" was way too short ... i'm pretty sure the legal teams of the operators still evaluate every potential step they have to take (to get a licence) or want to take (lawsuit).
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10-20-2020 , 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by frabb
It's likely gonna be the same as when Sweden imposed new laws in 2019, if you moved from the country post changes you'll have to create new accounts on all sites and withdraw you german accounts,
There's an important distinction between moving residencies and having multiple residencies however. It's quite obvious that whenever I actually move, I'd be closing/re-opening my account under the new residency and so forth, but the question remains what happens if I have multiple residencies in the EU. F.e. let's say I live in Germany but decide to buy a flat in Malta. Would I be required to register an account with my german info or could I also register my account with a secondary residency? Or would I need two accounts depending on where I'm playing from? Or would my IP determine how the software operates (f.e I could play more than 4 tables with maltese IP).

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you won't be able to play on your new accounts if you're in Germany though.
Also quite inconsistent. Me as a german tourist in Malta would need to adhere to German regulations even if I'm abroad but a Maltese tourist in Germany wouldn't be bound to Maltese law? That's what I mean when I say that it seems to be violating EU law to mandate what services/how services can be used based on residency.
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10-20-2020 , 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by wegg
There's an important distinction between moving residencies and having multiple residencies however. It's quite obvious that whenever I actually move, I'd be closing/re-opening my account under the new residency and so forth, but the question remains what happens if I have multiple residencies in the EU. F.e. let's say I live in Germany but decide to buy a flat in Malta. Would I be required to register an account with my german info or could I also register my account with a secondary residency? Or would I need two accounts depending on where I'm playing from? Or would my IP determine how the software operates (f.e I could play more than 4 tables with maltese IP).
It's based on your IP I believe.
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10-20-2020 , 06:19 AM
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It's based on your IP I believe.
Can anyone confirm this? Wouldn't that mean that I can change my IP (or, if needed travel abroad), deposit as much as I like and have that money at my disposal once I return?
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10-20-2020 , 06:25 AM
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Can anyone confirm this? Wouldn't that mean that I can change my IP (or, if needed travel abroad), deposit as much as I like and have that money at my disposal once I return?
Well you gonna have 2 accounts and the German one will be locked in Germany so no that won't work and you won't be able to play on your malta acc in Germany either.
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10-20-2020 , 06:29 AM
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Well you gonna have 2 accounts and the German one will be locked in Germany so no that won't work and you won't be able to play on your malta acc in Germany either.
I see what you mean, I haven't heard about anyone being allowed two accounts on any site though so when I said that it might depend on my IP, I meant that one account would have different access based on the IP it's logging in from. The two account solution would definitely make more sense from a regulatory perspective, but I doubt poker sites would really allow that.
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10-20-2020 , 06:33 AM
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I see what you mean, I haven't heard about anyone being allowed two accounts on any site though so when I said that it might depend on my IP, I meant that one account would have different access based on the IP it's logging in from. The two account solution would definitely make more sense from a regulatory perspective, but I doubt poker sites would really allow that.
Google about the Swedish licensing and you'll get a better idea how it will work in Germany, I moved to the UK from Sweden and had to create new accs on all sites and stars email all regs I regularly played with about my new SN.
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10-20-2020 , 12:06 PM
If they create a DE client, it wouldn't make much sense to have that client accessible from outside of Germany?

Should be up to the operators to decide if German players are allowed to play on their non-DE clients while they are not physically in Germany.

FWIW, the English abbreviation of "for example" is "e.g." not "f.e."
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10-20-2020 , 01:43 PM
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If they create a DE client, it wouldn't make much sense to have that client accessible from outside of Germany?
agreed but afaik pokerstars.es was open to pretty much anyone.
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10-20-2020 , 04:58 PM
Already people from the EU client can't play Stars in the UK for example. It is just a mess with all the inter country regulation, so it isn't a new thing that Germans can't play abroad.
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10-21-2020 , 05:17 AM
Noob frage for when this will be official:

Can I play on multiple clients with 4 table max or only on one client at time?

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10-21-2020 , 06:11 AM
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agreed but afaik pokerstars.es was open to pretty much anyone.
apples and oranges ... ES/FR/PT market is fenced, hence the option for international players to join. any de-client (like uk, se, bg, be or sh) is just part of the eu/com pool



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Noob frage for when this will be official:

Can I play on multiple clients with 4 table max or only on one client at time?
the plan seems to be, that you can only play one plattform at once ... but when this will be implemented (tech issues, privacy issues) its not sure (or if at all) ... at least to my understanding
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10-21-2020 , 06:14 AM
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the plan seems to be, that you can only play one plattform at once ... but when this will be implemented (tech issues, privacy issues) its not sure (or if at all) ... at least to my understanding
Yep, this will only be possible once the supervisory office has been established. This won't happen until earlierst, July next year and even then, it's questionable if they'll immediately be able to implement a technical solution.

I've tried to increase my deposit limits on PokerStars but haven't received an answer yet from the support if they'll allow me to do so. Does anyone here have higher deposit limits on Stars currently that are above the mandated 1k€/month?
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10-21-2020 , 08:49 AM
Man this sucks hard. I don't mind playing only on 1 client at time, but with the 1k deposit limit moving bankroll across sites will not be possible at all. I guess we should start pick our main site now and move the bankroll there. Or just split it every month, wich will take a long time for some mid stakes players. Awful

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10-21-2020 , 03:11 PM
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Yep, this will only be possible once the supervisory office has been established. This won't happen until earlierst, July next year and even then, it's questionable if they'll immediately be able to implement a technical solution.

I've tried to increase my deposit limits on PokerStars but haven't received an answer yet from the support if they'll allow me to do so. Does anyone here have higher deposit limits on Stars currently that are above the mandated 1k€/month?
I can deposit 10k €/day via Skrill
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11-04-2020 , 12:09 PM
Panic Button arrived at PS today (i now, other plattforms already have it)

Cliffs:

you can find the "24h break button" everywhere

- Poker Room (Lobby and all tables)
- Casino
- Sportsbook

clicking results in an insta-ban. if player is active in a hand, he is on sit-out (check-fold). if a tourney hasn't started, auto un-reg ... if tourney has started, free chips for everyone else

sources:
https://www.pokerfirma.com/news/poke...-button/687008
https://www.pokerstars.eu/de/blog/20...f-186891.shtml
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