WINAMAX - rip in Germany. Just got an email

why would a "new big company" pop up, especially now? live casinos, that previously stated online gaming is illegal? sportsbetting and online games are far more lucrative.



DE players will have less choices, since smaller operators won't buy a licence. the only good thing is, that there will be no "black friday", a threat that was looming over the market since a few years.

not sure about TV ads. i didn't read the GlüNeuRStV (only the recent 'regulations' regarding the transition period, that were the topic of the last days).

but having a white market is better than a grey market, especially when it comes to promotions.

it's still a mess in DE. e.g. the 3. Glücksspieländerungsstaatsvertrag (3. GlüÄndStV) regulates sportsbetting atm (the first licences were handed out recently) and has stricter limits, like a €1.000 cap for overall wager (if i',m not wrong)

the GlüNeuRStV mentions simialr limitations like monthly spending limits (w/o numbers, though). this was mentioned in this thread, but i don't know the context of the paragraphs.

what's also really important to understand that the GlüNeuRStV wasn't ratified yet and the EU-Court hasn't commented on it yet.

but sadly, yes, there could be more coming in summer 2021.

I see the partypoker DE client is out and there's some interesting removals here - Spins, Short Deck, Club Games. Also the Daily Legends tab, but I can only think that's an oversight.

Would be v interested to know from DE players here if they see similar things in other clients - looks like PS, Unibet, GG will continue with existing clients and just implement changes when a German account logs in (which makes it hard for people like me to see what's going on!)

PokerStars has removed the option for P2P transfers, similarily to what already was the case in Schleswig-Holstein, where PokerStars held an individual market license.

Run it Once has, contrary to their announcement, not implemented a restriction to German players yet as far as I can tell. I was able to join a table this morning.

Personally, I will obviously continue to play on PokerStars as long as it's still possible and will be moving funds to ACR and other operators that offer games despite it being officially illegal to do so for german players.

Edit: Nevermind - RIO has just restricted play for me.

daily legends still there, just different design. i didnt see it at first too to my surprising.

sadly, this was expected ... how about Spin & Go or All-In insurance?

expect allin insurance to be gone because its a bet against the house and thats not allowed.

Thanks, I see now it's been added. Was def not there when I first tried this morning! I think a later update added it back.

Other things I've seen this morning:

- Winamax have withdrawn. Plan to get a license for sports betting (kind of surprising that, as they did not decide to launch sports in italy despite acquiring a license there. guess they have a decent german sports player base to make it worthwhile)

- Unibet have withdrawn desktop client in Germany temporarily. Web/mobile remain with a 4-table cap. No current plans to pull Hexapro

I can still select AI insurance and I just played a Spin&Go. So for now, everything except for P2P Transfers seems to be working just fine. The radio silence is very disturbing and unusual for Stars though.

hey,
can someone tell me if any site has put restrictions on the stakes so far or was anything announced related to that?

from what i can see when i log in, stars removed the p2p transfer function, otherwise i see no changes so far, is that correct?

i know, that's what i expected (mentioned ITT), but i want to know, if it's already gone

thx ...

i guess they sort out things first. the question, if Spins (or any randomized prize pool) are a casino game is not easy, or at least at the end a technical question).

since there are a few opinions, that the new law violates eu law, and b/c the 15. oct is just the start of the transition it might take a while to figure out, what's the best for operators.

e.g. 888 made false/misleading announcements (re separated market) and struggles to provide a client on time. PokerStars is a bit more careful ...

Has anyone tried firing up more than 4 tables on PokerStars yet? Is there a "panic button" at the table?

I wouldn't anticipate any change to stakes, there's nothing in the interim regs about that (slots have a max €1 spin, but that's very clearly about slots play, not poker).

Of course, the €1000 depo limit basically prevents any high stakes play from German players unless/until they run up a balance.

it takes some time, until everything is figured out. there were no restrictions for stakes planned (for the transition period), 'only' the 1K deposit (which is of course a stake limitation) ... right now the 'authorities' have neither a plan how to check, if the operators will do this, nor the options. however, i expect operators will limit deposits at some point, b/c a licence is more valuable

btw: did anyone figure out, what the 'hourly reality check' is?

i read somewhere that there is just a pop up reminder every 60 min, so you dont let time fly by while gambling away your whole existence. i might have read that one site has or will implement it in their DE client but cant really remember, so much noise out there right now.

so partypoker.de client now has a pop up when logging in that gives you an overview of your balance and recent win/losses. the new panic button is in the top left corner next to the 'i' button, red, very small and just saying 'stop'. all the casino buttons on the tables are gone too. looks pretty clean now, which is nice.

There are no restrictions to the table limit yet.
There is no panic button either yet.

Okay. Suggests that PokerStars has not pushed out anything yet for DE players (except the p2p withdrawal). i'd expect an update later in the day.

If all german players disappear, is it good for other players or bad?

Bad. Few good German regs around, but plenty of German Fishes. Good would be if east European players and stables disappear
The more I think about it, the more I believe a German player pool only wouldn't be too bad.

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Well i just checked winmax after getting the email but it let me register a tourney. Maybe they mean "after Thursday" that you cant play starting tomorrow.

I was playing on Natural8 from Germany (I live here), but I have no German bank account to use for a cashout. I guess I can just **** myself then?

...meaning that's a BIG fish tank then ?!?!

in the german tagesschau they mentioned that the agency in charge of monitoring these regulations will be established 2023. ...

Surely the way around this (1 operator at a time, 4x tables)
- buy 2 computers. 1 operates say PP and the other has Stars. I know it's not ideal but that's the only way I can think. And how would they then know your playing on 2 operators at the same time?

But overall I don't think it's as bad as people make out. Thank **** it's not a USA Black Friday.
- can still play vs world player pool, not segregated
- I mean you can still play 4 tables (I only play 3 so this doesn't affect me at all. But I know a lot of ppl play 4+)
- apparently the 1k limit - if you withdraw say 5k.. you can then still upload 6k. So you should still be ok. (But I don't know how true this is)