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10-07-2020 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by any four cards
i think when i deposited on party i already needed to have a verified paysafecard account to be able to use paysafecards. you seem to not have to verifying with the site if you withdraw to a verified paysafecard account though. at least in my case.
Paysafecard accounts have a yearly 15k € withdrawal limit (2500 € / transaction).
If you play MTTs this is obviously terrible.
If you win 60k € you are looking at 24 withdrawals over 4 years

Maybe the site would let you make a withdrawal using bank transfer
in a case like this.

Paysafecard used to be a really great deposit option, but it gets worse every year. Mandatory use of a verified Paysafecard account from the 15th of October just makes using Paysafe much more inconvenient.
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10-07-2020 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
No, you just run it up like people used to back in the day, if you're actually going to want to play high stakes and not be a massive whale that shouldn't take too long
Great, high stakes with no fish. Good plan.
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10-07-2020 , 03:09 PM
So does that mean germany will get a seperate client and with a separated player pool like ES, IT... ?
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10-07-2020 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NerdSuperfly
Bundesländer (counties) recently decided to tolerate the operators until the "new gambling regulation law" (Glücksspielneuregulierungsstaatsvertrag aka GlüNeuRStV) comes into effect (1st July, 2021).

now the gambling regulating authorities posted a set of rules for operators. to my understanding it won't be enforced, but if an operator plans to apply for a licence, they should obey.

there are several rules, but the most notable are

- €1,000 deposit limit (per month AND operator [domain])
- 4 tables max (no mention of "per domain")
- no seating selection

there is also some sort of win/loss balance, that must be displayed ... i think there's something similar for ES. otherstuff include "reality checks" (per hour gaming time).

however, the most important thing is, that it's on short notice. the rules were made public on Sept. 30th, operators should comply until Oct 15th

source: https://www.pokerfirma.com/news/onli...gslimit/684585
That is really sad news for onlinepoker in Germany
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10-07-2020 , 04:52 PM
I could not care less Germany to become segregated marked. All german players are nits. Dose not matter fish or reg nits all of them. Rather open markeds and bring true fish Italians, french, spanis and usa
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10-08-2020 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TakeItiletyou
I could not care less Germany to become segregated marked. All german players are nits. Dose not matter fish or reg nits all of them. Rather open markeds and bring true fish Italians, french, spanis and usa
hahahahaa im dying, the good old days of french and italian casuals oh boy i miss those. my fav was how french guys were super passive mega cs and italians were super loose maniac
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10-08-2020 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by YourMother66
So does that mean germany will get a seperate client and with a separated player pool like ES, IT... ?
didn't read anything regardingt this and die SH-client (small state in Germany, that managed to regulate online poker quite a while ago) is connected to the international pool. there are several clients, e.g. UK, that are in the COM/EU pool but have special restrictions.


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Originally Posted by TakeItiletyou
I could not care less Germany to become segregated marked. All german players are nits. Dose not matter fish or reg nits all of them. Rather open markeds and bring true fish Italians, french, spanis and usa
pretty naive imo ... Germany is a big market and the average disposable income is greater than many other big markets.
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10-08-2020 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Itachi1234
hahahahaa im dying, the good old days of french and italian casuals oh boy i miss those. my fav was how french guys were super passive mega cs and italians were super loose maniac
oh god... Everest Poker independent only pot bet button was used

But keep in mind: when i remember correct, Germany was pre Black friday in second or third place in loosing countries behind America
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10-08-2020 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Lemikinge
But keep in mind: when i remember correct, Germany was pre Black friday in second or third place in loosing countries behind America
Germany is by far the largest market in the European Union just based on the fact that its population is 30% higher than #2 (France). The GDP per capita is also the highest among large European countries.

Losing those players from the international pool would be a bad thing.
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10-08-2020 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Pokercast
Phew, guys... I am happy that I can still buy Lotto-tickets for every amount I want every day of every week.
1. Raise the price of Lotto tickets by 20 %
2. Change the payout structure so the jackpots get bigger on average = more turnover
3. Introduce deposit limits, reality checks and maximum stakes for the private gambling companies in a Glücksspielstaatsvertrag
4. ???
5. profit
6. sell this money grab as fighting against gambling addiction
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10-08-2020 , 10:47 AM
In the last 24 hours I received emails from Ladbrokes and Betfair, saying that they will not offer any gaming in Germany anymore from October 15.
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10-08-2020 , 11:13 AM
I didnt get any Emails so far. Did anyone else got an email from betfair, stars etc?
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10-08-2020 , 01:39 PM
Stars.es pulls out of the German market from October 15th
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10-08-2020 , 01:56 PM
To be german is to be patronized.

Personaly I think a law like this is unacceptable. Revoking the rights of everyone just to protect potential gambling addicts is not ok. By that logic please start setting a limit for alcohol/video games/porn/sex. Kids should always be protected. Once you reach legal age it should be your own responsibility.
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10-08-2020 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by evcrusher
To be german is to be patronized.

Personaly I think a law like this is unacceptable. Revoking the rights of everyone just to protect potential gambling addicts is not ok. By that logic please start setting a limit for alcohol/video games/porn/sex. Kids should always be protected. Once you reach legal age it should be your own responsibility.
regulations/limits are already happening or on their way for several of these things on your list. It isn't just gambling.

In the case of gambling I suspect the lobbying of the two largest slot machine companies who pulled out of the German online market a few years back has been very influential.
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10-08-2020 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TakeItiletyou
I could not care less Germany to become segregated marked. All german players are nits. Dose not matter fish or reg nits all of them. Rather open markeds and bring true fish Italians, french, spanis and usa
horrible take.
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10-08-2020 , 03:55 PM
Everest Poker indeed my god. If we only could go back...

Sweden was the first country to start with all this bullshit thing, thank them.
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10-08-2020 , 04:12 PM
the offical statements says that the 1k limit could be raised when the offical full licences have been issued.
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10-09-2020 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bergeroo
Stars.es pulls out of the German market from October 15th
pretty sad, but i guess it would be difficult to create a german version of the ES client and also pay additional fees (maybe twice, not sure if the regulation in ES/FR/PT would allow this).

i've read that someone emailed PS and got a "no information atm" back. my best guess is, that pp and PS should be fast with a DE-client. they have the experience, but lets see.

not sure about 888 ... prolly depends on how the licencing process separates poker, casino and sportsbook. will be interesting what all the smaller poker rooms will do. can't imagine that many will jump through the hoops and pay up.

biggest question is how ggp will react. 'old ggp' would just keep serving i guess, but since it seems they want to be legit enough to enter the USA maybe they will react.
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10-09-2020 , 05:06 AM
Pretty sad news. Time to move the action on private games on apps New Online Gambling Law in Germany

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10-09-2020 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TakeItiletyou
Rather open markeds and bring true fish Italians, french, spanis and usa
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Originally Posted by Itachi1234
hahahahaa im dying, the good old days of french and italian casuals oh boy i miss those. my fav was how french guys were super passive mega cs and italians were super loose maniac
:P
We still are super maniac loose fish btw.
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10-09-2020 , 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TakeItiletyou
I could not care less Germany to become segregated marked. All german players are nits. Dose not matter fish or reg nits all of them. Rather open markeds and bring true fish Italians, french, spanis and usa

dumbest non-sense-post in this thread.
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10-09-2020 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by evcrusher
To be german is to be patronized.

Personaly I think a law like this is unacceptable. Revoking the rights of everyone just to protect potential gambling addicts is not ok. By that logic please start setting a limit for alcohol/video games/porn/sex. Kids should always be protected. Once you reach legal age it should be your own responsibility.
This is typical big government 'taking care of us' because we are helpless litle children and they know better. Revolting indeed. Do they also have higher taxes for sugary drinks in Germany?
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10-09-2020 , 08:10 AM
btw - whos idea was it that germans no longer can choose seats? how does that make ANY sense?
and a max of 4 tables? how does this prevent anybody from losing? you can play 4 tables of 1$ sng or jump into 4 500$ games.
maybe all german players should also only be able to play the turn and no River: most money goes in at the River so it would make sense to cut all River decisions off, right?
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10-09-2020 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Pokercast
btw - whos idea was it that germans no longer can choose seats? how does that make ANY sense?
and a max of 4 tables? how does this prevent anybody from losing? you can play 4 tables of 1$ sng or jump into 4 500$ games.
maybe all german players should also only be able to play the turn and no River: most money goes in at the River so it would make sense to cut all River decisions off, right?
As usual this is about making money. The state gambling monopoly is going to become even stronger. Imagine being able to just ban your competition without any consequences. Its an open secret that the law is not valid and will probably not stand in the long run if someone was to press charges. But it will take a lot of time. Meanwhile they are making bank. Politicians can basically do whatever they want. Fun times.
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