https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/onl...piele-101.html

Bulletpoints:
1) Every form of online Poker is now made fully legal (right now its a gray area)
2) Monthly deposit limit of 1000€
3) Playerprofil every site needs to report to the authoraties that insures you don't deposit more then 1000€ per month

All in all not bad at all little bit worse since degens to punt of more then 1000€ at the table.

So, high stakes on line in Germany is dead?

Are transfers allowed? Going to be ripe for abuse. Also means you can never really withdraw any money if you wish to play high stakes.

super strange

I think it is super bad news.

Doesn't that mean that Germany will be the next segregated pool?

Wow. **** that.

People probably thought I was overreacting yelling at that British dude a few weeks ago who wanted to impose some rule along these lines (his version was % of income or net worth or something like that).

But look here, nanny state swooping in to snatch people's individual rights and freedoms away, right here, as we speak.

Fight for your freedoms, people, or the government will take them away at any and every opportunity that presents itself. And one thing is for damned sure: they won't stop at poker...

It takes effect 2021 summer.
They always try to regulate everything.
Hopefully its just a plan...
People can and will find ways through friends transfers...
Swapping... still does this mean cash out is regulated too? Bc I haven't read this in the article.

Funny was just thinking yesterday how Germany is basically the richest fish country left expect UK. GL Germany.

just another helpful regulation invented by rich monkeys for the poor monkeys that trust them with all their rights no questions asked .

No it wont

Yes it means high stakes is dead online in germany so just get your roll online before 2021

amazing how countries can just strip rights away and the people take it 8 inches up the ass like good little monkeys.

Would you mind elaborating on that?

Isn't whole Germany now following the example of Schleswig-Holstein, which, as far as I know, is separated from the international pool since a couple of years, despite (or let's say "because of") being the only Federal state with legalization?

Except the 1000€ Limit its actually really nice. You are now legal to play and earn money tax free! Before that you had to Tax your income as a Pro which put you with half feet in jail.

A lot of people even wanted it forbidden and banned totally. So this is a good compromise.

No its just legal to play in SH online. In the other states it was technically illigal, but no one enforces the law. Its not like in the US. You play always with the whole world in germany.

Prior to this you are only to gamble in privat for pennys and only in state casinos except SH where it was allowed to gamble online.

Now we can gamble everywhere in germany tax free legal!

Ah, OK, all I knew is that SH is restricted on RIO: (I guess the license is too expensive for RIO)

https://help.runitonce.eu/kb/restric...d-territories/

So on other international sites SH players are welcome?

going to jail cause not paying taxes for money that you bring and spend in your country's economy from other countries that otherwise would not come in .
and/ or tax the tiny % of lucky people that win in casinos while sucking the dicks of online operators that make billions every year while paying moslty 0% in taxes moving that money straight to tax heavens from your average public sector loser that deposits his/her goverment check month in and month out.

that is the way to "regulate" in most countries and seems like most normal people agree with that so what you can do about it?

Are you sure about that? Just because its legal to play pros wont have to pay taxes anymore? I mean I hope you are right but I dont see the connection.

Fellow german here, the linked news article did not say anything about taxes and the tax situation legally was not connected to the "illegality" of online gambling so I do not think that is gonna change. Obviously really bad for nl100+ but the slot providers are probably gonna take the biggest hit so maybe hope for some lobbying efforts on their part in the next 1,5 years to raise the proposed monthly deposit limit.

the limit does not account for winnings. so if you won and withdrew 2k you could still deposit 3k to spew off in the same month to reach the limit of 1k. At least thats how i understand. They basically don’t want people to gamble away more than 1k/month.

Also interesting that every site has to store and provide ALL game data including hands etc so it is guaranteed that no site is manipulating games in their favor.

Should the new sites have these absurd rake schemes too I will think about sueing them for profiteering and make complaints to the authorities...like a proper german would do.

How do you come to the conclusion that it will be tax free?

Does not change anything in regards to tax.

Well i suppose we are now forced to keep larger rolls online again

It's planned to take effect in Summer 2021.
This version is a first proposal to get some kind of regulation with the example
of SH (Schleswig-Holstein).

Before this is possible to go into law, german federal states have to agree to that.
One of the reasons why it will take time.

The much bigger problem here is the record tracking. That goes far beyond keeping and tracking
personal information than is allowed by german law !
This will probably be the biggest counter argument against that proposal.

I know that you need regulation to protect gamblers who have an illness and
to provide a legal and secure business environment, but this is not quite
the best way to approach that topic.

And believe me - we (germans) will try to regulate every possible bit if we start doing this...

And the 1k€ will be a problem, too. Especially if you are operating on various sites,
not only for poker but also for sports betting.

As you probably know any serious player (not all) from Germany relocated to Austria, UK, thailand, malta, or to many other countries. So this effects more recs.

That really ****ing sucks
Everyone who is always saying they want online poker to be "officially legalized, taxed and regulated", this is what you will end up with

Tax free? I still take it. Would take me probably like 2-3 months to build bankroll again on sites . Also wondering how they will treat P2P transfer.

Also nothing stops your buddy to lose couple of K in a logical way from abroad to you .

After you get your bankroll going it seems it will be tax free.