Commerce dealers are great.

i had pretty below average dealers most of the time nothing awful until i was playing 1500 plo tournament had a dealer with 3 misdeals didnt know how to calculate pot and then could barely follow the action. we were in the money and i was already thinking this is BS im not tipping a cent, then make next day every dealer was excellent and i had mixed feelings about tipping because the excellent dealers shouldnt be punished for the bad dealers incompetence. still uncertain how i feel about it

Sorry, stepped away from this thread for a couple days

My apologies for the poor wording in the thread. I was typing it while still at the table in the tourney.

At the time I couldn’t be sure whether or not she flashed them, I wasn’t looking directly at her, just saw the pump fake in my peripheral. When the other player in the hand said “thanks for flashing ace nine, dealer” I was frozen. In my mind, what if it was a great read and now me calling floor immediately validated him?

I still can’t say with certainty if they were flashed or not. I tend to believe they were, but I can’t say for sure.

To the poster asking if one hand can make that big a difference: have you never played a tourney before?

It could of been a lot worse. She could have flashed those 70 year old Warlocks.

don't they already take the tip from the prize pool?

I’m not sure why you think any of that is a mitigating factor.

The dealer made a movement:joke which had the OP wondering whether his cards were actually shown or whether the other player made a correct read. They’re both bad. The ambiguity is actually worse.

I guess we can argue whether it was incompetence or deliberate unprofessionalism, but either way it isn’t good.

FYI, they're not referred to as air quotes when they are in writing. Those are just plain quotation marks.

That’s what baffles me most about the non-trolly responses here is the sentiment that what she did wasn’t that bad. I can’t see anybody reacting to that situation as if it weren’t a big deal.

True, I just took a creative license because the original post was not actually quoting anything that was said, just using the punctuation just like air quotes are used in a telling a story in person ...

Those factors go to credibility, which is not to attack OP's sincere belief, just whether his recounting was accurate.

With due respect to the OP, maybe what he described was nothing more than the dealer talking a bit too loosely, but not flashing cards and the adverse player trying to get a reaction from OP by "naming" his cards after folding.

Poker is defined by ambiguity. Seriously, you've never seen someone who folded fishing for information after a hand by supposedly "naming" the other guy's hole cards ?

Things are not always as described by one observer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashomon ,which is not a poker movie, but is a great film:

"The film is known for a plot device that involves various characters providing subjective, alternative, self-serving and contradictory versions of the same incident. Rashomon marked the entrance of Japanese film onto the world stage;[2][3] it won several awards, including the Golden Lion at the Venice Film Festival in 1951, and an Academy Honorary Award at the 24th Academy Awards in 1952, and is now considered one of the greatest films ever made."

That’s a fee, not a tip. Tips are voluntary. Fees are mandatory.

My observation - you seem to like to argue for the sake of it.

good read

[QUOTE=Sir Huntington;53977736]LOL, sooo are they in the habit of hiring the mentally disabled? Maybe it's their policy like my local grocery store. Except at the grocery store they bag my food and not essentially become the banker of the table while I gamble. That's like something out of a comedy skit.[/QUOTE


wish I was kidding.. that man really tested my patience (and this was day 1 of my time there.. and first time ever in vegas IN JUNE).

i live in toronto where if people know it or are around in august know about the CNE a charity limit casino that runs for a month. and the dealers there are usually a bit slow/terrible at first but get better as it goes on.
at the end of the day.. berating/complaining for these things is a terrible approach. need to educate/help to improve our experience but prevent it from happening again

I played in five events this year and didn't cash in any of them (BOO!). That's what happens when you lay off playing poker for two or three years. Your game gets stale.

That said, I'm amazed by how massive an undertaking it is to produce the WSOP. The sheer number of players, dealers, tables etc. is overwhelming. And to keep it all together and running smoothly I give a lot of credit to the tournament staff. My personal experience is that there were far more good dealers than bad passing out cards this year. Yes, there were a few who made mistakes (two or three each on their down), but overall I was satisfied that we were getting a fair deal (pun intended). I can only attribute my poor showing to my own lackluster play.

One thing did happen that bothered me greatly and like the OP I just let it go. I was the only one at the table who noticed when it happened. I was playing the HL Split ($1,500) and one stack was getting whittled down since no one had taken the seat yet. The original 7,500 in chips was down to near 5,500 when a well known younger player plopped down in the seat. This was at level three or four (I can't remember which). He proceeded to tell everyone at the table that he didn't know he had already registered for this event and had been waiting in line to get in. When he got to the window they informed he was already registered.

What happened next blew me away. The player was approached by a young floor man and was called away from the table. When he came back he added 2,000 in chips to his stack. He was careful not to make this obvious but I saw him add chips to his stack and noticed he was back to the original 7,500. I waited a hand or two and thought about it. I couldn't help myself (being me) and looked across the table at him and asked him if he had added chips to his stack. He was surprised and looked at me silently for a couple of seconds, but knowing he couldn't (or shouldn't) lie he said that yes he had, quickly adding that it was just more chips for the other players at the table that had already been won. He then asked if this was okay with me and I told that I just wanted to know if I had seen that correctly. None of the other players at the table said a word so I just let it go.

I guess this is one of the perks of being a "name" player. I doubt that they would have done that for me.

What's his name?

I'm not sure it's appropriate for me to put that on here publicly. I blame the floor man more than him. He just accepted a gift of extra chips. Why not?

That’s ridiculous and wrong, but not entirely surprising.

Practice, in front of a particular audience, to see what responses are elicited . At least for me, it is educational and a feedback of sorts..

Posting to generate responses is the textbook definition of trolling.

It's your duty to speak up. If see someone cheating do you speak up or stay silent? Staying silent is the old school mentality, which might be fine for high stakes cash games (I would still speak up), but in tournaments you have to speak up.

My issue is that I don’t want the table to know I’m paying attention to the details. If it were zero-sum to me, I’d say something every time. But particularly at new tournament tables, I like to play up the clueless old image. I can do that so long as I STFU, which for me is easier said than done.

Get yourself a better textbook.

Posting actual content and generating a response is part of what is called "discussion".

You know, what an interactive forum is designed to generate ?

Least you can admit it

Trolling about what constitutes trolling is some impressive trolling.