Thanks for the info! Sucks for Delaware.

regarding illegal software:

I know wsop nv scans running executables (pretty sure NJ does as well) because i had remote control software client running (to allow a techie friend to login and check some errors I had been getting) and it wouldnt let me run the wsop client while that was running and I even got a followup email saying upon further investigation ur ok but this is final warning.

less than 10% of online players are winning and less than 5% are doing real good, you can pretty much assume similar ratios to any population added. Plus more games and higher guarantees will bring more recs out, as there is more availability more times, more tourneys etc. Plus this is going to occur during WSOP vegas... all the people that come and stay for 2-4 weeks will boost online numbers as well, should be a good first impression and we all know first impressions are long lasting.

Arguably, the method that you desire is unconstitutional. Allowing players to directly participate in games on sites in other states could be an usurpation of the federal government's power under the Commerce Clause. The state-by-state method is possibly the only legal way to legalize online poker beyond state borders without Congress doing it.

The model for combining player pools might be the Multi-State Lottery Association, which over 30 states established by interstate compact.

No doubt lower stakes are much safer from what I'm describing, haven't played those stakes in forever so haven't thought much about how they will be impacted. Clearly they are more vulnerable to rake increases and bots. Just don't be surprised if you are a non-lobby holder and there are more tables to choose from with more recs overall, but it's harder to actually get on tables and harder to win once you do get on a table.

Who is to say they will keep open lobbies? Seems to me the future of poker sites is what Party Poker has done in the NJ market where you join a global list and are sat at whatever table is available. Does anyone have any info on the new software WSOP is rolling out on the 1st?

There are two lobby views. The other is the normal one.

Got the email confirming pre registration on April 24.

It's been a few years since I went to NJ and played on the site, but I was under the impression that you couldn't see who was sitting at a table in any of the lobby views, is this incorrect? Regardless, that is what needs to happen to keep cash games healthy. While I personally prefer being able to table select for my own benefit, I can see why it needs to go away. I can't imagine with this many years of data that the casino backed US facing sites wouldn't be smart enough to at least limit what you're describing as much as they possibly can.

Of course the money is going to filter to the top regs who have been continually grinding since BF, but I think you're seriously underestimating the amount of people who would play poker online if they thought it was safe and legal.

The majority of time when I tell people I play online the first question I get is "Isn't that illegal?" and the 2nd is "What sites can you even play on?". The average recreational has no idea that online poker is still as big as it is in America. A lot of the ones that do know aren't willing to jump through the hoops of depositing/withdrawing and fear FTP 2.0 is destined to happen on these sites.

With legit sites to play on, heavy advertising, and easy deposit/withdraw options online poker in America has a pretty long shelf life as long as the operators take the proper precautions to deter scripting, bum hunting, collusion, real time assistance software, etc. If it is explicitly illegal to do nefarious things and it's enforced, that will deter the majority from doing it. You'll never stop it entirely, but if it's not being done in mass that gives the sites a lot more time to find the ones breaking the rules.

If you get that lobby view where you can't see players and get seated directly, can't you just keep on hitting the seat me at next table until you find a good table? Seems like you can still table select, it's just not as easy. You just mark all the regs you don't want to sit with and when you're seated, sit out and hit seat me again.


I don't see how that would stop table selecting. It would just slow it down.

Easy solution, just limit the amount of times this is allowed before not being able to sit for X amount of time. Even as you put it, that is still much better than a whale sitting and having 5 bum hunters there within seconds. I don't think online poker will ever be perfect, as nothing is, but the doom and gloom talk just seems a bit uncalled for. A regulated American only site with even 25% of the country involved would still be the #1 place to play in the world almost immediately.

Yes, what you said is incorrect. You can see the tables and who is sitting and choose your seat, etc, for all NJ sites.

I also don't think I'm underestimating as I have quite a bit of experience playing in the regulated NJ games (have even posted my results).

I agree about scripting/real-time assistance software, but there really is no way to stop someone smart/motivated enough. But it is true that making it an offense that can lead to jail time is a serious deterrent.

Bumhunting is here to stay, though. No matter what they do, people will always stretch to the absolute limit of the rules. See table-starters, see semi-anonymous games on Party Poker EU, see the history of online poker. Even making the games all a zoom-type format doesn't solve it -- the fringe bumhunters find a new means of employment, the best regs win the most, the guys who are the bottom of the reg food chain only play when the pool is sufficiently juicy, etc.

What little there are.

I'm like yeah cool because I moved from WA state to NJ for work last year.

The thing is I play a lot more on those "illegal" sites because I can and I have a whole world of players.

I'm 38 and I'll be dead before "poker is legal", even though it is, blah blah wire act /crooked politicians **** it whatever I quit

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you forget NJ is spread across 3 sites (or more)... now they will have just 1 site to play on with merged pool. plus the amount of dormant players that will come back to more games, more hours of availability, and higher gauruntees. Im in NV... they tell me my games will triple, if you triple my available games i have to seriously consider full time play. Support doesnt know anything yet. No one knows full details. I do know pre registration starts this week for NV and DE. I will start that process tomorrow and stream it if possible so others can see. I do know the time zone difference will greatly help me.

PSNJ and Party/Borgata Poker will go on. They will (for now) not be shared with NV/DE. If you look at the revenue numbers, you will see that PSNJ is performing the best in NJ poker despite coming into the market 2.5 years after the competition.

'the method I desire' is not an accurate characterization of what I described

I don't believe this is strictly true, e-commerce is not new and the Commerce Clause is never invoked, outside of igaming discussions. No doubt it would take legislations in both states and an agreement of sorts, but I think its do-able

Well, that is self evident.

So, now you've come to the 'method I desire.' This is in my view the best way to get the most players in the most states, the best reach for us the players.

I would take a single, 888-powered, lottery-partnered site that had 30 states participating over everything else being offered or considered

But we can all keep following Pokerstars, er Amaya, er StarsGroup (they don't even call themselves poker anymore) and wait for them to lead us to the promised land

^^

I honestly have no idea why anyone wants Stars in at this point, **** them.

From PA's igaming law:

So, PA is open for other states, who do not have the population to support an intrastate online poker market, to allow their players to have access to PA sites.

As we already have a multi-state ipoker agreement in effect, running afoul of Federal Law does not seem to be a real problem

To their credit, Stars has done a great job in NJ. They were at a disadvantage and entered the market 2.5 years after the competition and still took over as the highest-earning NJ poker platform. They also provided ~30% rakeback (including for high-stakes play) which is higher than WSOP/888 and the same as Borgata/Party/MGM. Their software and support is significantly better than the other platforms.

Did someone else receive this email? Because I didn't but I didn't receive also the email about the sharing pool, I don't know why

I have an account for NV WSOP from a few years ago, so maybe that is why.
Do you have a current account?
Also maybe spam folder. Mine wasn't tho.

On the NJ side of things, what are the biggest nightly tourneys as of right now, and how many runners do they get? What are the guarantees?

I play on the NV side and I'm trying to get a sense of how much of an increase in traffic for MTTs this merge may bring.

For NV, it's pretty rare for a nightly tournament to have more than 180 players. The $10 rebuy $2k guaranteed usually gets 100-150 and first is around 1k. The $30 rebuy usually gets around 70-90 and first is around 2k. The $200 $20k guaranteed usually gets 75-100 and first is around 6-7k.

IF PENNSYLVANIA JOINS INTERSTATE POKER, THE PLAYER POOL WOULD DOUBLE

https://www.playpennsylvania.com/pen...poker-pooling/

I made my account last October! I've checked the spam folder but nothing!

The Sunday majors get 150-250 entries typically in Jersey. Stars getting more usually than other sites at the moment. WSOP/888 usually gets the least with around 150.

See the current attempt to over turn Quill v North Dakota.


I just described an organization that started with seven members and grew state by state. I thought you said you didn't want that.