Right, but when PA joins the site is already bigger than Interops and will be in the top 15-20 sites for avg traffic. The states that already have poker will also pick up more players because a lot of people still play other sites or live because they are so small. All it takes is one more large state to join the 4 and they are the size of WPN. This is most certainly the best news for US poker in a very long time.

LOL. It being good news≠it being perfect and as big as other sites around the world immediately. It is without a doubt the best news for online poker in the U.S. in a very long time

countdown clock is on until schaf4206 makes post 3 and 4 about how online poker is rigged a month from now

LOL over 14 years... That's nothing dude. Pre Black friday I was averaging that a year lol.

Of the sites being spoken of in this thread? None of them.

Right. I'm not sure what in this thread made you think differently.

Of course, we're only talking about these US-regulated sites, not all sites that accept US players, like WPN, Merge, and others.

And you may be able to play on the sites discussed in this thread when you're in one of these states, but I'm not sure about that.

While his post was a little hyperbolic/US-centric, yours is a little ridiculous too. If you don't care about this news, maybe you can find some other threads to post in.

Per year? That's crazy!!!

My apologies. I was possibly going over the top in response to the original contributor´s "best news since Black Friday" post. However, my post still has its merits.
1. A combined NV/DE/NJ player pool will have minimal impact on games because it will only be a WSOP player pool (the smallest of the NJ sites by a wide margin).
2. When PA joins an interstate regulated market, the total player pool in PA will be divided between 3/4 operators - diluting the impact a four-state compact will have (especially as PS is not allowed in Nevada).
3. One of the reasons this news item has received so much attention is because there is little other news around at the minute . What else have you got? ElKy joins Party and 888 sponsors the Womens Poker Hall of Fame). It´s a quiet period in the poker news industry, which is dominated by pro-regulation sites owned by Catena Media.

Again, sorry for my "ridiculous" post.

[ ] Understands the significant difference between no inter-state pooling and inter-state pooling created for the first time.
[ ] Has the foresight to foresee the future possibilities of expansion of multi-state US online poker.
[x] Likes to justify his own negativity by creating negative outlooks and stating them as facts.

Don't be too hard on Domingo

This is great for players on 888 in DE

Pretty much 'meh' for everyone else

Don't get me wrong, it's a small step in the right direction. But it is still just a small step that has taken years to make happen, warrant dancing in the streets it does not.

Do you think a player in nj would rather play on a site like poker stars against only pppl located in NJ or wsop a site with 3 states of player pool?

The other NJ sites are going to take a huge hit may 1, i would almost bet they struggle and face shutting down due to lack of business.

Same for PA, where do u think a PA would rather play? The larger player pool will dominate the users.

actually, there is no WSOP site in DE, only 888. No WSOP satellites or bracelet games in DE

Also, the impact on NJ players will be minimal ....

in answer to your question, I would suggest that the number of players on PokerstarsNJ will not trail the combined 888 pool by much, if at all.

So Pokerstars.NJ that serves 1 state will be almost the same size as a site that is catering to 3 states and most likely more in the future?







How is it that there will only be 1 site for all this? Seems like there should be competition at some point.

As a full-time NJ grinder, I feel like I can offer some unique perspective.

Unequivocally, this is a great step for US-regulated online poker. Ultimately, we want massive interstate compacts with as many states on board as possible, to increase liquidity and the size of the market. This recent news is a giant step in that direction - and the only/best news in years - and for the long-run it is great news, no brainer. My personal hope is that movement in surrounding states will spur New York into action. Once some bigger states are in the picture games can only improve.

At the same time, in the short-run, this is going to create some headache. The status quo is comfortable and stable, and no one really knows what these changes will cause (and I'm sure there will be technical issues at launch). Most concerning is WSOP's decision to eliminate HUDs (not because HUDs are necessary to win), because I suspect, functionally, this will be the elimination of the players' ability to save hand histories locally. This creates a multitude of issues, from making it more difficult to multi-table effectively, review hands, keep financial records, and self-police the games. This is what has me awake at night.

In terms of traffic on other NJ sites, I suspect there will be little change. Many recreational players prefer the Borgata or Pokerstars brand and will continue to login there. The professionals will surely oblige.

but the recs will see higher gauruntees more tournaments and more hours that games are available on the merged site. We will see very shorty.

I am a NV player that aspires to pro play, i am playing profitable 25hrs a week in NV right now. I am drooling for the increased player pool and the 3 hr time difference as i wake up early for work. (therefore early on my days off as well).

and yes i want hand histories jsut to review my own play and for easier tracking especially since i play multiple games. but we need an antiquated law amended or changed for that.

Yea, bring on those NJ fish. lol

As a nj grinder, +1. Although as to huds themselves, I am not going to give up the ability to use a hud on the other nj sites in order to "pay more attention". While that may make the wsop games softer, a small downtick in regular traffic may drastically reduce the player pool. The crappy thing about it is we cant even get hh after the fact to see how poor or great the player pool is

welcome to NV's world... i multitable plo8 with no huds. i can deal with no huds, i want he hand histories to evaluate my own play tho. Dont get me wrong i would use a hud if available.

Agree with everything posted above. I can get the reasoning behind no HUDs, but I really would like to be able to get my HH after the fact - if for no other reason than to keep tabs on how I'm personally playing.

Responded inline but I want to re-iterate that not providing players with hand histories they can import is problematic for game integrity. There have been many instances where cheating went on for year+ without site doing anything and ultimately PLAYERS discovered the cheating. Having local text hand histories is the players' last line of defense and should be taken seriously.

Illegal software is a huge problem in online poker. I think it's unwise to exacerbate this by taking away something as fundamental as hand histories.

Responding to what was your inline text: It seemed like you thought pooling would increase the number of "recs," "really good players," and "bumhunters" at the same rate. Why do you think that is true? My general assumption has been that adding big, rich states such as New York or California would increase "recs" at a significantly larger rate than the other categories.



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Unless you were thinking that would be cancelled out by pooling with Idaho, Kansas, etc. that may have the opposite effect? (Would it though? I'm not sure.)

The ratios are far less important than the extremes. One whale losing $300k/month can drive games. On the other side, if the pool has 20 really good/elite players at both NL and PLO, anyone that is not part of that group is pretty **** out of luck. They suck up the lion's share of the rec $, and will fill tables around the clock. Having 2 elite players instead of 20 is a HUGE difference.

Juicy states like NY and Cali will have the ability to attract elite players who are either playing in the ROW pool, playing huge live, playing shady unregulated sites/apps, or are #toorich to play current regulated USA games. Even with whales, the money will filter to people who can hold lobbies (the best players) and perhaps some opportunists who have the right mix of being able to get in the game without being completely terrible.

I understand you. I don't know that you're right on how it would work, but I see what you're saying.

How it would actually work would depend on how people act. There are a ton of well off people in NY and CA (not just a couple whales with a few million they don't care about). Meaning there could be tons of people playing at 100NL - 500NL. Not high stakes, but improving the status of games a lot.

How many people move to get in on the games will make a difference (how much a difference depending on how many do it)




Bigger point is that there is a platform set up that states can be added to. Something to work from.


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CA is a pipe dream at the moment. NY is possible, but may still take years.

PA has it legalized. Next step is to add PA. I have no idea if it is feasible.

You're sure about this? The awful new version of PokerScout indicates WSOP of Nevada and Delaware 888 players are pooled together. So even though they're pooled with each other the players in Delaware won't be allowed in the satellites?

https://www.pokerscout.com/delaware/


+1

Never 100%, but ....

"WSOP online bracelets available to some but not all players

WSOP online bracelet events will be exclusively available to New Jersey players on the WSOP.com website.

To clarify, players using the 888-branded online poker site in New Jersey, or playing on one of the 888-powered online poker sites in Delaware will not be able to participate in WSOP.com online bracelet events or satellites to WSOP events. Only players registered at WSOP.com branded sites will be able to participate in those events.

“Once the process is complete, New Jersey WSOP.com players will be able to compete for official WSOP gold bracelets from their home state for the very first time. The first opportunity to do so should be the Sunday, June 3 $365 buy-in No-Limit Hold’em official gold bracelet event (Event #10) being held in Las Vegas as part of the 49th WSOP.”

https://www.uspoker.com/blog/nv-nj-d...e-poker/22762/

In this current method of "establish intrastate online poker, THEN combine player pools with existing states, has a finite number of states who will see online poker.

That number is less than ten

Unless and until states are willing to pass legislation that allows their players to participate in games on sites in other states, this never spreads across the country.

It is still not the answer for players