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As long as opponents are identified in the hand history and these can be regularly requested without issue in its entirety then I see no problem with this policy.

Will hole cards be shown in history of someone who went to show down but didn't show?

Really be dreading this announcement for fear of the hud policy, sucks

Great news. Training wheels coming off, too.

Maybe there can be a special NJ-only online site that allows HUDs. Maybe the software can even have a HUD built in to it.

There is. It's called Borgata.

Exciting that the pools are being combined, hopefully that means PA is soon to follow. Also not sure why they think no HUDs is the right decision here - seems like they're inevitable right?

Why?

This is a pretty good article:

https://www.njonlinegambling.com/wso...pooling-may-1/

Off the top of my head I don't know a single other site that doesnt have HUD usage. Even Ignition which is completely anonymous has HUDs. I get that it's to protect/entice recreationals, so I'm fine with the idea, but it seems like every other site has them.

It seems like any site that tried no huds just ends up with the problem of people using huds that can't be noticed by the poker software. I don't know too much about the issue but I've heard 2+2ers talk about it often enough that it seems like an issue.

I think the bigger issue is how many tables will they allow us to play. If they cap it at 4-8 it would be awesome, if they do 24 tabling than it's just gonna kill the fun of playing imo. As a rec but also semi serious player, mass tabling is the worst thing that happened to online poker as far as from a recs point of view. Just kills any fun.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think HUDs have been banned in Nevada since day 1 due to the regulations - there is explicit mention that player software aids are prohibited. So operators ban HUDs and all other third party software.

By connecting with New Jersey, they don't have much option to extend this ban network-wide, otherwise it would give users in one state an advantage over others.

Bovada/Ignition and Global are two I can think of off the top of my head, and I think there are some other sites with anonymous tables.

Yes, Ignition allows HUDs, but they're completely handicapped compared to how they are on sites with non-anonymous play - only useful per session.

I don't know if any site has done it perfectly yet, and perhaps the wave of sites trying out different anti-HUD methods will eventually ebb and we'll go back to everyone allowing it, but I think it's early to call it inevitable at this point.

Sure, it may not be feasible from a legal standpoint. I understood JSkelts' initial point to be that legal issues aside, HUDs are inevitable because they can't be stopped, and I don't think that's necessarily the case. But if they decide it's not going to be done at the regulatory level, then that's probably that.

Unibet is no huds and allows unlimited name changes. Seems affective.

The name change thing seems horrible, it's been show time and time again that poker sites can't police bots. Collusion would be easier too.

Well, Unibet has run under this model for some four years, and in terms of public bot reporting goes, it ranks very low on the list. In fact, I can't think of reading a single claim from players regarding bots or collusion, whereas on 2+2 you'll see daily complaints on the big sites that allow HUDs. The Unibet thread here and their community forum is very active with player feedback.

Might just be a factor of poker room size (or you could argue, it is because of screen name changes I guess), but I think Unibet is a data point against your argument, not for it.

It seems almost impossible to catch bots if they can change their name anytime they want. Players catch them after logging 1000s of hands with them and noticing that they play 12 hours a day everyday.

The only way you can catch a bot under those circumstances is from the poker room's side and they don't seem do that very well.

Ah yes, I thought Unibet had something like going as well.

There are all sorts of issues that come with anti-HUD solutions. Lots of people have problems with the way Global does this as well. But that seems like a topic for another thread.

I'm a NJ player and I'm trying to figure this HUD thing out. I read this online.


"PokerTracker 4 can support the 888 and WSOP.com poker clients in the State of New Jersey. The WSOP poker client in the State of Nevada does not store hand histories locally on your computer, therefore PokerTracker cannot support WSOP in Nevada. If you wish to use PokerTracker 4 in Nevada while playing at WSOP.com, please contact WSOP's management to request that they store hand histories on the local computer. Nevada State Gaming Technical Regulations do not require locally stored hand histories, but it is an optional choice that the poker gaming operator has chosen to ignore."

Any Nevada players have experience with this? Are the players anonymized in the HH ? I'm not so much worried about being able to use my HUD. I only keep the most basic stats on it. I just want to be able to review my sessions off table.

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Using a HUD in Nevada is not only against the rules, it is against Nevada law. I know a player was reported for using a HUD that others saw on twitch a few years ago. I'm not sure what the end result was but I know he could have faced criminal charges. I think a few probably use HUDS in Nevada, but the vast majority don't because of the consequences.

Since it is Illegal in Nevada and not New Jersey it seems like people in New Jersey will have less reason to not break the rules. I hope WSOP can find ways to keep HUD use to a minimum in both states as I believe overall no HUDS is a good policy that will keep the games in better shape.

Right. I'm indifferent towards the actual hud itself. However I would like to know if I will be able use my tracking software off table at least so I can review my sessions.

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On which sites it is allowed for Europeans to play?
For some reason I thought US sites can only offer games to people located in US

This is the best news for online poker since Black Friday. Might have some decent traffic now on the sites.

Sorry to hurt you, but this is not the best news for online poker since yesterday. WRT "decent" traffic, they will be more players in tonights Intertops freeroll than in the combined NV/DE/NJ market. The only reason this made any news at all is because the US-facing affiliates are desperate to promote anything remotely positive.