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Old 10-14-2017, 07:26 PM   #26
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Re: New Jersey, Nevada, Delaware to Share Online Player Pools

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Holy chit.

thats is huge news for US online poker. I'd go with the best news here since, forever.

poor stars. no soup for them.
This is great news. Surprised i had to log into NVG to hear it. I'd of expected a ppa email stating the good news as this is pretty huge. I guess if the move isnt going to help pokerstars in the short term the ppa doesnt care to say anything about it.

I guess we cant get to excited yet as we have to see exactly how everything is going to be done. Hopefully Adelson doesnt have anything to do with how anything is done.
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Old 10-14-2017, 08:23 PM   #27
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According to Steve Ruddock in the OPR article linked in the original post, PokerStars is the "big loser" as a result of the compact due to "bad actor" language in Nevada that blocks it from participating in that state's real money market in perpetuity.

"Meanwhile, PokerStars stands to be a big loser. Current iGaming law in Nevada (with“bad-actor” language) appears to preclude that online poker operator from serving the state into perpetuity. Barring a change in the law, which is unlikely to come, PokerStars is probably shut out of benefiting from the compact."
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From my understanding of Assembly Bill 114, that exclusion period is 10 years from the effective date of Feb 21, 2013.

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/Session/...s/AB/AB114.pdf



(CTRL+F "2006" for reference to bad actor/suitability language)
The Nevada bad actor penalty box is 5 years, not 10. (Don't know what that is you linked to but looks like a draft / markup of some sort.) Not sure what Ruddock's talking about re: "in perpetuity"...the NV bill puts them in a 5-year penalty box, but stipulates that even after it expires, they're not auto-approved, they still have to get licensed per regular suitability procedures. OPR's usually pretty clued in on this stuff, so not sure where they get "in perpetuity" from...

I don't think Stars is really all that big a loser here. NV player pool is miniscule, they're not missing out on some cash cow. NJ and NJ entities don't really stand to gain all that much here...real winners are NV players and US online poker in general, as this will hopefully be first step to normalizing interstate pooling if/when other states get online.
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Old 10-14-2017, 09:01 PM   #28
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The Nevada bad actor penalty box is 5 years, not 10. (Don't know what that is you linked to but looks like a draft / markup of some sort.)
Hey Monorail,

I appreciate you bringing this up. I see now that I was going from the "As Introduced" version of AB 114 and not the "As Enrolled" version. Sigh, now I wish I hadn't linked to that as it just adds confusion to the thread instead of providing clarity as I intended.

If you look at the "As Enrolled" text, you'll see that Monorail is correct and the bad actor language states "5 years." Thanks again for the heads-up.

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/Session/...ory.cfm?ID=315
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Old 10-15-2017, 04:00 AM   #29
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I don't rejoice in Stars being shut out. Sure, they have done things that have negatively impacted the players, but so have the US-based casinos in the form of supporting harmful legislation that has got us to this point.

If the above is just a wash (very doubtful) and all sins are absolved then I vote for the company who has proven to be head and shoulders above in the software department. Maybe good news like these pacts will inspire a bit of software investment
This, PS NJ is a delight to play on
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Old 10-15-2017, 11:46 AM   #30
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Why would you play there after they shoveled **** on their own long time customers. That's like a crackhead going back to the dealer that just beat the **** out of him.
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Old 10-15-2017, 12:01 PM   #31
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US-based casino interests have done 100x more ****ting on the 'future of the game' than anything stars could have done
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Old 10-15-2017, 02:10 PM   #32
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More people in NV will start playing online for sure.
NJ has some pretty big cash games that run as well...
This could really change a lot for everyone as soon as it's implemented.
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Old 10-15-2017, 02:21 PM   #33
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More people in NV will start playing online for sure.
NJ has some pretty big cash games that run as well...
This could really change a lot for everyone as soon as it's implemented.
Nevada isn't as tiny as I think some people beleive it is. WSOP in Nevada has a $45k Guaranteed 200 rebuy and a $20k Guaranteed $200 reentry today. Those are healthy numbers to add to New Jersey games.

I don't play cash but the game volume does seem pretty weak. I agree it should be great for everyone.
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Old 10-16-2017, 04:58 AM   #34
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I have nothing significant to add, but this is great news!
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Old 10-16-2017, 12:10 PM   #35
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Do you think we will be able to cash out and deposit in person from the casino that is partnered with the site?
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Old 10-16-2017, 12:12 PM   #36
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Do you think we will be able to cash out and deposit in person from the casino that is partnered with the site?
You can already do that (at least w/ WSOP+Caesars).
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Old 10-16-2017, 06:23 PM   #37
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how do any of you justify playing at the venetian? its 2017. **** head adelson is the main reason this crap has taken so long
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Old 10-17-2017, 04:49 PM   #38
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Very curious how they will resolve the HUD issue and the server issue.

Also curious if Borgata/MGM really care about this, since none of the sites give a **** about poker anyway (like >85% revenue from casino and such). With WSOP, they are already operating in both states, but for an operator like Borgata, the benefits of adding 2 pools with games that rarely run is likely minimal compared to the effort.

OPR article seemed to imply this would only impact WSOP.com, not Stars (because of bad actor) and Borgata (because of paragraph above).
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Old 10-19-2017, 09:43 PM   #39
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just be happy you're not stuck with euro trash
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Old 10-22-2017, 12:10 PM   #40
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Only idea when this starts?
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Old 10-22-2017, 12:16 PM   #41
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I read 6-9 months from when this was announced.
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Old 10-23-2017, 12:01 PM   #42
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I read 6-9 months from when this was announced.
6-9 months lol what a joke another reason why it will never take off
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Old 10-23-2017, 01:00 PM   #43
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6-9 months lol what a joke another reason why it will never take off


It’ll take off.... in 6-9 months



This is terrific news although as everyone else wishes it shouldn’t even have come to this. We need all states to regulate and allow it now. Good start but slow. Better late than never ?
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Old 10-23-2017, 01:05 PM   #44
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6-9 months lol what a joke another reason why it will never take off
Considering all they have at this point is an agreement between the states to do this, with no regulatory approval yet, let alone a plan of how it will happen logistically, I think it would have been extremely optimistic to expect it to be much less than that time frame. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it took longer.
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Old 10-23-2017, 01:43 PM   #45
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Why would you play there after they shoveled **** on their own long time customers. That's like a crackhead going back to the dealer that just beat the **** out of him.
I understand why some ROW players are unhappy with PokerStars, but US players should remember what would have happened to their FullTilt account balances without Stars.
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Considering all they have at this point is an agreement between the states to do this, with no regulatory approval yet, let alone a plan of how it will happen logistically, I think it would have been extremely optimistic to expect it to be much less than that time frame. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it took longer.
+1. 6-9 month isn't a very long period of time for something that involves regulators in multiple states. Just take a look at how long everything else takes if governments are involved. Not only in the US but basically everywhere in the Western world.
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Old 10-23-2017, 02:21 PM   #46
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i agree its not gonna be quick.

regulatory stuff moves at snails pace

aside from technical issues, balancing regulatory guidelines., which will take some time .... more political and challenging might be how they split tax revenue for each state.

for example

a hand of poker is dealt in a cash game with a player from DE, 2 from NV and and 3 from NJ in after the flop. only 1 from NV and one from NJ at river

its raked $3 in total.

How do states split the tax revenue on that $3 of gaming revenue?
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Old 10-23-2017, 04:12 PM   #47
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i agree its not gonna be quick.

regulatory stuff moves at snails pace

aside from technical issues, balancing regulatory guidelines., which will take some time .... more political and challenging might be how they split tax revenue for each state.

for example

a hand of poker is dealt in a cash game with a player from DE, 2 from NV and and 3 from NJ in after the flop. only 1 from NV and one from NJ at river

its raked $3 in total.

How do states split the tax revenue on that $3 of gaming revenue?
Interesting question. Seems would have to be based on total amount wagered by all players in X period of time.

Example: Nevadans wager 2million in 2018. New Jerseyans 5million. Vermonters 3million. 10 million total. New Jersey collects 50%, Vermont 30% and Nevada 20%
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Old 10-23-2017, 04:16 PM   #48
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More people in NV will start playing online for sure.
NJ has some pretty big cash games that run as well...
This could really change a lot for everyone as soon as it's implemented.
We have big NLHE cash games very very sporadically, nothing consistent above 1/2 or 2/4 so I guess it depends on your definition of big. Every few months there's a couple nights in a row where games will run higher than 5/10 and it's the same few of us playing because the same repeat customer regfish has sat. Other than that it's about 5-7 regs just sitting empty tables across the sites.

I played exclusively on the NJ sites for a few years but as soon as ACR took back NJ players it was a no brainer to start playing there again. Until legislation is introduced that legalizes poker across the country there's not much point to playing on the NJ or NV sites unless you grind 50NL since that's the only thing that really runs consistently with more than one table.

I only have an opinion based upon hearsay at the moment but from what I've heard, NJ has more games running than Nevada at any given time so I am not so optimistic that by adding NV we're going to see some major change. It's absolutely a step in the right direction and I'm thrilled it's finally happening, but I think some people need a reality check. It's not going to change much.
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Old 10-23-2017, 07:23 PM   #49
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Interesting question. Seems would have to be based on total amount wagered by all players in X period of time.

Example: Nevadans wager 2million in 2018. New Jerseyans 5million. Vermonters 3million. 10 million total. New Jersey collects 50%, Vermont 30% and Nevada 20%
could someone explain how this is done for euro countries that share pools.

US states sort of like individual US states in this regard.
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Old 10-23-2017, 07:31 PM   #50
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Why not each pot is contributed rake based on State instead of by player like some sites do. Then every month or quarter they chop it up.
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