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Old 10-13-2017, 02:44 PM   #1
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New Jersey, Nevada, Delaware to Share Online Player Pools

Big news for the regulated online poker market in the United States.

http://nj.gov/governor/news/news/552...20171013b.html

https://www.onlinepokerreport.com/26...vada-delaware/
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Old 10-13-2017, 03:07 PM   #2
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Yay!!!
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Old 10-13-2017, 03:17 PM   #3
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Old 10-13-2017, 03:22 PM   #4
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Re: New Jersey, Nevada, Delaware to Share Online Player Pools

Isn't Stars still banned in NV for another few years? I forget the period they said they couldn't apply for a license.

Also, if online sites have to be partnered with a Casino, wonder which 888/Party & Stars (If App) will go with
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Old 10-13-2017, 05:07 PM   #5
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Isn't Stars still banned in NV for another few years? I forget the period they said they couldn't apply for a license.

Also, if online sites have to be partnered with a Casino, wonder which 888/Party & Stars (If App) will go with
In NJ: 888 is with Caesars, Party is with MGM/Borgata, and Stars is with Resorts.
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Old 10-13-2017, 05:23 PM   #6
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Very nice
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Old 10-13-2017, 05:33 PM   #7
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Isn't Stars still banned in NV for another few years? I forget the period they said they couldn't apply for a license.
According to Steve Ruddock in the OPR article linked in the original post, PokerStars is the "big loser" as a result of the compact due to "bad actor" language in Nevada that blocks it from participating in that state's real money market in perpetuity.

"Meanwhile, PokerStars stands to be a big loser. Current iGaming law in Nevada (with“bad-actor” language) appears to preclude that online poker operator from serving the state into perpetuity. Barring a change in the law, which is unlikely to come, PokerStars is probably shut out of benefiting from the compact."
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Old 10-13-2017, 05:40 PM   #8
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Holy chit.

thats is huge news for US online poker. I'd go with the best news here since, forever.

poor stars. no soup for them.
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Old 10-13-2017, 06:41 PM   #9
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But that Stars software though! lol
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Old 10-13-2017, 08:56 PM   #10
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Man, this seems like awesome news. I play on wsop in Nevada (the only site available) and the games can be good but definitely lacking players if you like volume. Also just a great sign for the future.
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Old 10-13-2017, 09:39 PM   #11
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Man, this seems like awesome news. I play on wsop in Nevada (the only site available) and the games can be good but definitely lacking players if you like volume. Also just a great sign for the future.


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Old 10-13-2017, 10:33 PM   #12
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Awesome!

Doesn't NJ allow Hud's and Nevada Does not?
Does that mean when they combine pools that Hud's would be allowed in Nevada?
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:40 PM   #13
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Awesome!

Doesn't NJ allow Hud's and Nevada Does not?
Does that mean when they combine pools that Hud's would be allowed in Nevada?
Thats a good point. I think its actually illegal to use a hud in Nevada and there's no hand historys. I wonder how they will deal with that.
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:42 PM   #14
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It wouldn't be fair to let NJ play with HUD and ban it in NV.
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Old 10-14-2017, 12:26 AM   #15
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Re: New Jersey, Nevada, Delaware to Share Online Player Pools

PokerStars is only banned in NV until 2018 according to this:

http://www.pokerupdate.com/us-poker-...-online-poker/

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As of February 21, 2018, PokerStars will be able to apply for a license.
Does anyone know for sure if PokerStars would be eligible to enter after Feb 2018?
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Old 10-14-2017, 02:52 AM   #16
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PokerStars is only banned in NV until 2018 according to this:

http://www.pokerupdate.com/us-poker-...-online-poker/



Does anyone know for sure if PokerStars would be eligible to enter after Feb 2018?
From my understanding of Assembly Bill 114, that exclusion period is 10 years from the effective date of Feb 21, 2013.

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/Session/...s/AB/AB114.pdf

(CTRL+F "2006" for reference to bad actor/suitability language)
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Old 10-14-2017, 05:28 AM   #17
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The way stars has been shafting players I don't mind seeing them taking an L on this.
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Old 10-14-2017, 11:23 AM   #18
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good news!
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Old 10-14-2017, 11:24 AM   #19
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Meanwhile, PokerStars stands to be a big loser. Current iGaming law in Nevada (with“bad-actor” language) appears to preclude that online poker operator from serving the state into perpetuity.
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Old 10-14-2017, 11:28 AM   #20
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Hoping this means that NJ players can play the online wsop sattys that run in NV during the summer.
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Old 10-14-2017, 11:42 AM   #21
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Hoping this means that NJ players can play the online wsop sattys that run in NV during the summer.
As long as everything gets settled by then, I don't see why not.
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Old 10-14-2017, 01:16 PM   #22
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I don't rejoice in Stars being shut out. Sure, they have done things that have negatively impacted the players, but so have the US-based casinos in the form of supporting harmful legislation that has got us to this point.

If the above is just a wash (very doubtful) and all sins are absolved then I vote for the company who has proven to be head and shoulders above in the software department. Maybe good news like these pacts will inspire a bit of software investment
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Old 10-14-2017, 01:58 PM   #23
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its hard to imagine that Stars did not have some sort of seat at the table as this was all going down. At a minimum pumping some lobbying money into Gov Chritie and other chronies campaigns.

Not that stars had any kind of say or vote, but dont you think they spent some money to affect the process and maybe soften up NV. would be surprised if Stars doesnt soon announce some sort of path forward with company licensing in NV.

on the other hand, Ive been surprised before on all sorts of things. For example Hellmuth pawning Polk and jungle HU was surprising and more importantly quite hilarious to watch


either way... this is huge for US. Im guessing more states accelerate some form of online legislation. North Carolina will be last state to ever legalize though maybe right before Utah so fml.

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Old 10-14-2017, 02:15 PM   #24
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Re: New Jersey, Nevada, Delaware to Share Online Player Pools

A significant point that was mentioned in the NJ press release that everyone is glossing over. According to NJ law all games must be run on servers located in Atlantic City. It would take a state constitutional amendment to change this. So for Nevada residents to play against New Jersey players those games can only be hosted on NJ servers. Does this mean Nevada is going to allow 888 to shut down their Nevada operations or will Nevada players have to choose between local tables and shared tables? This agreement may look promising but may be derailed when it comes down to the details of implementation.

This is why the earlier negatiations between NJ and the UK et al. regarding shared player pools broke down.
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Old 10-14-2017, 04:02 PM   #25
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A significant point that was mentioned in the NJ press release that everyone is glossing over. According to NJ law all games must be run on servers located in Atlantic City. It would take a state constitutional amendment to change this. So for Nevada residents to play against New Jersey players those games can only be hosted on NJ servers. Does this mean Nevada is going to allow 888 to shut down their Nevada operations or will Nevada players have to choose between local tables and shared tables? This agreement may look promising but may be derailed when it comes down to the details of implementation.

This is why the earlier negatiations between NJ and the UK et al. regarding shared player pools broke down.
Good catch. I haven't read anything so far that offers an answer to those questions, but the news is still only 24 hours old.

Potential implications of this deal (from Kevmath & Steve Ruddock on Twitter) could mean that MGM applies for a license in Nevada to eventually pool its Nevada players with Party/Borgata in New Jersey. The Borgata is a property of MGM Resorts International.

https://twitter.com/SteveRuddock/sta...97279339319299

Ruddock has also posted on social media that he believes a "reasonable" timeline for NV/DE/NJ player pools to become a reality is 6-9 months.

EDIT: Also, here's a separate Tweet pointing out that PokerStars would have to partner with a Brick & Mortar casino in Nevada along with a reference to how bad actor language "precludes" them from entering the NV market.

https://twitter.com/SteveRuddock/sta...10085203742721

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