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Do you remember when people actually played poker? Cigars, alcohol, stare-downs, intensity, big bluffs.....i mean look at poker today. Every hand is just a flip preflop. It's so ****ing ridiculous. Just look at final hands of main events 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 and so on..flipping for gazillion big blinds.

The game clearly has to be playing different: Use both your hole cards and an all in player plays current street. If a players shoves pre, he plays the flop. That's how holdem should be played. Point is: No more cards are dealing once a player is all in.

People argued that "This won't attract fish": Nonsense. Fish plays whatever everyone is playing (That's why he is a fish..) Gamblers would play whatever they have at hand.

Also the "All time money list" is just absolute atrocious. It's like saying "Here is Pete, with 30 million winnings in roulette" (cause you don't count the loses) It's that ridiculous.

I mean Jeff Bezos decides to create a recognized, legal wsop event, let's say for 300 million buy in, he gather five friends, the winner would be Top Money List in Poker..

Now this is something completely different: Of all recognized events that counts for "All Time Money List", first of all, you count the ROI, and not the earnings per se.
Second, you need a reasonable size of events, let's say, at least twenty.
And third, a game of actual skill: What i'm a proposing.


See you in a couple of years

I remember this.


https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...54/?highlight=



This is correct though.

How about a poker game with features of yahtzee? Each player could roll dice and a dealer could roll 3 for a community.

so you are saying that if I go allin with my flush draw I will die with my A high?

I agree. When you make the final table of the main event, you should be mandated to smoke a cigar and drink a glass of whiskey every 6 hours. Any vomiting is a DQ.

Make Poker Manly Again.

I agree that allin pre flop should be banned

Limit preflop and No Limit pos flop would be amazing for the game

I'd like if suits were replaced with the four colors of the teenage mutant ninja turtles. Then, only with a 4-card rainbow in omaha can splinter be defeated.

When all the money goes in, best hand always wins. The way poker should be

From you, I actually can't tell whether or not this is sarcastic.

And the emoji you posted is somehow linked to the thread title; I can't tell what it means (if that was supposed to signal one way or the other re: sarcasm).

Common. Obviously poker would be pretty redundant if played that way

What do you mean by “from you”

Of course. All-in on a JsTs5c, KsQs loses to 2h2d; no turn or river; it's just over.

Really what the OP'er is proposing is a completely different game that gives completely different values to hands. Pairs go way up in value. Draws go way down in value.

Players will be way nittier because there is no such thing as having some equity to go with the possibility of forcing a fold. Overbetting may become even more prevalent since as soon as you have a decent pair, you can go all-in to lock up the pot.


It's just a different game. If it actually happened, maybe some people would figure out the best way to play it in a couple weeks. I doubt it would be possible for it to last. If you didn't play super super super tight, you would lose loads easily.


If it would work at all, maybe it would work HU? Like some weird blind man's bluff variant (just the opposite) where people keep overbetting all-in based on whether they think they have the highest card.



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Or we just decrease the stack sizes. No reason it has to be overbets. Everyone can play maximum 20 big blinds deep.

Sites would love this idea if takes off. They'd make so much more money. There'd be no such thing as a winning player anymore.

You shoulda tried pitching them the idea and seeing if they'd hire you for something rather than posting it for free here every year for the last 4 years.

As far as I can tell from your posts, you hate anyone who is even at all competent at playing poker. I may have conflated that with the people who are just super scared of getting bad beat and do silly things just to not get "bad beat." If I'm wrong, sorry about that.

But you do also show up in a lot of threads just to say how much you dislike people who play poker regularly.

Both of these are incorrect. I would indeed hate myself and close friends if it were true.

Having said that, occasionally I get a little animated /antagonistic in my comments, so perhaps your perception of me is valid

I do think the behaviour of pros, especially online, is reprehensible and worthy of criticism
However...What I’ve largely meant to get across, is that I think poker as a career/playing professionally is big mistake on 4-5 major levels. Perhaps this is not the thread for that discussion though

Hahahaha this is the funniest **** I've read so far...and not because it's a stupid idea (it sounds pretty interesting), but it's funny because there are so many other structural tweaks to poker that it's amazing no one has thought of implementing this as a game by itself.

I understand your idea...in essence you're proposing capped community cards where once a player is all in that's it, no more cards to be exposed...but to be honest you're better off just not playing no limit holdem, and playing other variants of poker, if it's that much of an issue.

It really just sounds like you would prefer it, if you could modify the game to reduce the amount of "suck outs". But I believe that psychologically it would not make a difference, because you would adapt to the new poker variant and find it just as frustrating when you lose a hand that you "should" have won - especially when you played it right.

Do you think that maybe your risk tolerance is not ideal for no limit holdem? I ask this because as you point out now days poker players push the edges alot more, as opposed to trying to outplay each other - there are exceptions of course lol.

The international Federation of match poker have a poker game that is structured in way that requires more skill than chance. It is pot limit preflop and then becomes no limit - each player is compared to other players in the the same seat number. Each seat number receive the same cards as other tables and who ever wins the most/loses the least is the more skillful player.
(I am not endorsing - just the only structured Holdem game I know that matches your ideal poker game).

Behavior is individualistic. Sure, it can be stereotyped across large groups. Trying to do that nowadays generally doesn't go over well (for good reason). I think that may well be the main reason that your posts go over so poorly with a lot of people.

Not everyone who plays a lot of poker is the scum of the earth. Not everyone who plays poker professionally behaves poorly.

It is insulting when you paint a broad brush with little paint.

That said, I'd probably agree with you that nowadays getting into poker as a career choice would be a mistake for most people who live in the western hemisphere. That's my feeling anyway. It's possible that someone coming from the right scenario with the right inclination, maybe it actually is a good choice. There definitely are a few people who it has worked out for in the last few years ... but that isn't many.

I played a lot, but I also finished college and law school (I took a year between college and law school also and no job or school that year; just poker). And I did pay all of my taxes; self-reported; no one would have ever known, but I did it (and not just that year - I mean every year I reported it)


If you're going to criticize behavior, criticize someone's behavior. Not the behavior of some amalgamation of some group in your head.



P.S.

And if someone commits malfeasance, I'll be right there to agree that guy sucks. You can't assume everyone who plays a lot is committing malfeasance; that's not fair.

This actually sounds quite fascinating. Particularly the last sentence re even card distribution
If you wanted a kind of poker olympics to properly define “the best” card player ....I guess this is how you go about it ?

How about a small gang of hoodlums armed with sawn-offs storm the live setting every time the 7s hits the river? The players each get a chance to tell the robbers a joke in order to determine whether they keep their stack.

So now I can sit there for two minutes to go through the game tree because it’s not tanking anymore but a mandatory stare down? Count me in!

Also like the idea of getting it in preflop with any pair until people finally figure out that it’s pretty difficult to flop a straight or flush.

But if we make alcohol and cigars mandatory, we also need a rule that requires every player to make at least one sexist joke per hour.

How about the players who made millions but they only had 1% of themselves.

Hahahaa love it...why not also 3 shirt buttons undone, and at least 1 gold chain or ring lol

Don't forget though, O.P meant once a player is all in, no more community cards dealt. It could be pre flop, flop or turn.

Young people play online and masturbate. Older people smoked and drank and paid for hookers. It's a generational thing.

I don't see it anywhere.

more rake

That’s not the reason

I’ve never said those things

I’ll stop with the derail... this thread could be fun

op maybe you just need to play some chess or something