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Old 06-25-2010, 12:42 PM   #101
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Re: Negreanu and Brunson fall for confidence tricksters.

Mr. Negreanu -

You've been lied to. What's worse is that your reputation is now being leveraged to advance the fraudsters' commercial agenda. These band-aids do nothing. Your initial reaction to the "demonstration" is totally understandable, but the band-aids have no more power to influence your strength and performance than a lucky charm.

We work in a stressful profession, so it's no wonder that we gravitate towards charms to help us cope. We’ve got lucky hats, lucky glasses, lucky shirts, lucky charks, lucky photos, lucky fruits, boomswitches and doomswitches. We're constantly trying to control the uncontrollable and magically influence the outcome of high-stakes random events. And in general I've got no problem with that - anything that helps us cope with stress or makes us more confident in our abilities could actually help us play better. And since it doesn't hurt anyone else, why not wear that lucky shirt, right? It's a freeroll.

HOWEVER these magical Band-Aids cross the line. This goes beyond lucky trinkets because they're a commercial product being marketed and sold as legitimate science. And that makes me absolutely furious. Applied Kinesiology (the balance and strength-testing they did in the video) is frequently used to support the efficacy of products such as these magical band-aids, but the claims made by these "experts" always fall apart under rigorous empirical testing.

Daniel, you've been hoodwinked. Worse, your name is now attached to a fraudulent product. A lot of people look up to you, and your endorsement of this product WILL influence many people to try it out. And that's tragic. They'll blow hard-earned money on a holographic band-aid that does nothing, and your reputation as a trustworthy source will go down in flames.

PLEASE. Protect the community and your good name - retract your endorsement. Then, use this as a teaching opportunity. Word needs to get out that many many fraudulent products like this are out on the market: aura sprays, healing crystals, detoxifying foot baths, homeopathic potions that are chemically indiscernible from regular water, LED light therapy, magnet therapy, the list goes on and on. You got blind-sided by hucksters. But now's the time to make it right.

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Old 06-25-2010, 12:43 PM   #102
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Why is DN involved in this?
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Old 06-25-2010, 12:45 PM   #103
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Mr. Negreanu -

You've been lied to. What's worse is that your reputation is now being leveraged to advance the fraudsters' commercial agenda. These band-aids do nothing. Your initial reaction to the "demonstration" is totally understandable, but the band-aids have no more power to influence your strength and performance than a lucky charm.

We work in a stressful profession, so it's no wonder that we gravitate towards charms to help us cope. We’ve got lucky hats, lucky glasses, lucky shirts, lucky charks, lucky photos, lucky fruits, boomswitches and doomswitches. We're constantly trying to control the uncontrollable and magically influence the outcome of high-stakes random events. And in general I've got no problem with that - anything that helps us cope with stress or makes us more confident in our abilities could actually help us play better. And since it doesn't hurt anyone else, why not wear that lucky shirt, right? It's a freeroll.

HOWEVER these magical Band-Aids cross the line. This goes beyond lucky trinkets because they're a commercial product being marketed and sold as legitimate science. And that makes me absolutely furious. Applied Kinesiology (the balance and strength-testing they did in the video) is frequently used to support the efficacy of products such as these magical band-aids, but the claims made by these "experts" always fall apart under rigorous empirical testing.

Daniel, you've been hoodwinked. Worse, your name is now attached to a fraudulent product. A lot of people look up to you, and your endorsement of this product WILL influence many people to try it out. And that's tragic. They'll blow hard-earned money on a holographic band-aid that does nothing, and your reputation as a trustworthy source will go down in flames.

PLEASE. Protect the community and your good name - retract your endorsement. Then, use this as a teaching opportunity. Word needs to get out that many many fraudulent products like this are out on the market: aura sprays, healing crystals, detoxifying foot baths, homeopathic potions that are chemically indiscernible from regular water, LED light therapy, magnet therapy, the list goes on and on. You got blind-sided by hucksters. But now's the time to make it right.

Respectfully,
JL
Don't forget Hellmuth's Feng Shui. God only knows how much he's paying that guy to tell him what colour shirt to wear
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Old 06-25-2010, 12:48 PM   #104
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Don't forget Hellmuth's Feng Shui. God only knows how much he's paying that guy to tell him what colour shirt to wear
^^ Christ, don't get me started. I live in LA and just found out the owners of the Dodgers paid some Russian guy hundreds of thousands to send positive energy through the TV whenever they were playing.
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Old 06-25-2010, 12:52 PM   #105
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Mr. Negreanu -

You've been lied to. What's worse is that your reputation is now being leveraged to advance the fraudsters' commercial agenda. These band-aids do nothing. Your initial reaction to the "demonstration" is totally understandable, but the band-aids have no more power to influence your strength and performance than a lucky charm.

We work in a stressful profession, so it's no wonder that we gravitate towards charms to help us cope. We’ve got lucky hats, lucky glasses, lucky shirts, lucky charks, lucky photos, lucky fruits, boomswitches and doomswitches. We're constantly trying to control the uncontrollable and magically influence the outcome of high-stakes random events. And in general I've got no problem with that - anything that helps us cope with stress or makes us more confident in our abilities could actually help us play better. And since it doesn't hurt anyone else, why not wear that lucky shirt, right? It's a freeroll.

HOWEVER these magical Band-Aids cross the line. This goes beyond lucky trinkets because they're a commercial product being marketed and sold as legitimate science. And that makes me absolutely furious. Applied Kinesiology (the balance and strength-testing they did in the video) is frequently used to support the efficacy of products such as these magical band-aids, but the claims made by these "experts" always fall apart under rigorous empirical testing.

Daniel, you've been hoodwinked. Worse, your name is now attached to a fraudulent product. A lot of people look up to you, and your endorsement of this product WILL influence many people to try it out. And that's tragic. They'll blow hard-earned money on a holographic band-aid that does nothing, and your reputation as a trustworthy source will go down in flames.

PLEASE. Protect the community and your good name - retract your endorsement. Then, use this as a teaching opportunity. Word needs to get out that many many fraudulent products like this are out on the market: aura sprays, healing crystals, detoxifying foot baths, homeopathic potions that are chemically indiscernible from regular water, LED light therapy, magnet therapy, the list goes on and on. You got blind-sided by hucksters. But now's the time to make it right.

Respectfully,
JL
Well said! My thoughts exactly.
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Old 06-25-2010, 01:01 PM   #106
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when you keep losing $200,000 every 3 hours on High Stakes Poker you gotta look for another revenue stream - right?
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Old 06-25-2010, 01:09 PM   #107
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god no matter how many times i watch that demo video with daniel falling for the arm trick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErKSi...ayer_embedded#!) it cracks me up

i still can't believe he came in here and said he doesn't use them while playing poker, when the PRODUCT IS NAMED ENDURA POKER STRIPS

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i really don't think daniel is this naive. i think he knows what full well what he is doing and is just looking to make a buck. he has an old school mentality that "it's all about the hustle". he is just knowingly scamming people and feels fine about it.

if some other random product start using daniel's likeness and wrote him a fake testimonial and put it on their web page to help sell their product and didn't pay him, i suspect it would be a pretty big issue. you just are not allowed to do that in advertising whatsoever, daniel does so many endorsement he knows this.
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Old 06-25-2010, 01:15 PM   #108
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Old 06-25-2010, 01:19 PM   #109
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ugh..this is terrible..hope it's a level..and Daniel, you need to start lifting or doing Ashtanga Yoga...sure, you're skinny from the vegan diet but you look sort-of weak in the arms and chest.
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Old 06-25-2010, 01:21 PM   #110
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Stay classy guys, this says a lot about "poker pros." Do you know of a tennis pro who would pull some bull**** like this? I'll bet they didnt even get that much for the endorsement.
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Old 06-25-2010, 01:22 PM   #111
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If you happen to believe a sticker taps into the supernatural energy fields, long forgotten from ancient times, and enhances your poker skills... it is safe to say your not one of the "smart guys".
When you are second on the all time money list, one spot behind Ivey, you are definitely one of the "smart guys" Doesn't matter if you believe in a sticker or not.
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Old 06-25-2010, 01:22 PM   #112
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Re: Negreanu and Brunson fall for confidence tricksters.

Daniel has been doing P90X recently.

I'm sure you can find any number of tennis, golf, football and other sports professionals endorsing products that may not work as proposed.

The Youtube clip for the Endora Poker Strips makes it appear that they surprised Daniel during a break and he goes along with it.

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Old 06-25-2010, 01:23 PM   #113
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i thought about it some more, and i think that for me personally, the pricetag would be about $10,000 to make some fake endorsement for the site. who knows, maybe less.

i am some random nobody, so obv no one wants to pay me to endorse anything, but the point is that i have a personal pricetag to sell my soul, you probably do, too. i mean, c'mon, if they gave you a billion dollars to say these worked you would do it in a heartbeat, think how much you could do for your family or for charities or whatever.

everyone has a price tag. the only question is whether endorsing such a blatant scam while hurt his credibility enough to make future endorsements less likely. i doubt it will have any real impact and he knows this. plus it's really easy to him to say he was tricked and he's sorry if the **** really hits the fan.

it's only surprising in that the price tag for trying to cheat naive, low-income people seems to come at such a small amount relative to DN's perceived net worth.
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Old 06-25-2010, 01:25 PM   #114
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when you keep losing $200,000 every 3 hours on High Stakes Poker you gotta look for another revenue stream - right?
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Old 06-25-2010, 01:26 PM   #115
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Well DN is a christian, so we know his fact checking skills are a little weak. I'm not surprised by this.
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Old 06-25-2010, 01:29 PM   #116
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Do I sense a new topic for Brain Fail in the works or was this covered in the superstition episode?
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Old 06-25-2010, 01:34 PM   #117
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This is ridicilous. I think Doyle once wrote in his blog something about the 2012 crap. At the time I thought he wasnt serious, but I guess he belives in that sort of crap. Seriously my respect for both Doyle and DN just plummeted.
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Old 06-25-2010, 01:39 PM   #118
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Well doyle and daniel are both christians so this isn't exactly breaking new ground
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Old 06-25-2010, 01:43 PM   #119
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Probably already said itt, but I'm not going to read it all. This is just a spin off of the power balance bracelets. They don't work.
errr, I said that in the VERY FIRST POST

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Well doyle and daniel are both christians so this isn't exactly breaking new ground
True but I'm pretty sure they aren't working for God and getting kick backs off him for new signups .
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Old 06-25-2010, 01:51 PM   #120
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I didn't watch the whole thing, but it looked like an ambush, combined with social engineering. Bellagio should have chased them away.

fuc'n embarrassing. Part of the price of being a celeb.
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Old 06-25-2010, 02:07 PM   #121
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Those stickers are actually stealing your soul and storing them in the hologram!

You are all going to want to buy my Soul Retaining Wrist-Band. Only $2 each but you will want to buy all 20 to cover the entire range of "soul frequencies" that are being attacked by the hologram. Also repels demons, attack birds, and the Amish (but not an Amish Demon... you will need the pendent for that).

PM me to order.
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Mr. Negreanu -

You've been lied to. What's worse is that your reputation is now being leveraged to advance the fraudsters' commercial agenda. These band-aids do nothing. Your initial reaction to the "demonstration" is totally understandable, but the band-aids have no more power to influence your strength and performance than a lucky charm.

We work in a stressful profession, so it's no wonder that we gravitate towards charms to help us cope. We’ve got lucky hats, lucky glasses, lucky shirts, lucky charks, lucky photos, lucky fruits, boomswitches and doomswitches. We're constantly trying to control the uncontrollable and magically influence the outcome of high-stakes random events. And in general I've got no problem with that - anything that helps us cope with stress or makes us more confident in our abilities could actually help us play better. And since it doesn't hurt anyone else, why not wear that lucky shirt, right? It's a freeroll.

HOWEVER these magical Band-Aids cross the line. This goes beyond lucky trinkets because they're a commercial product being marketed and sold as legitimate science. And that makes me absolutely furious. Applied Kinesiology (the balance and strength-testing they did in the video) is frequently used to support the efficacy of products such as these magical band-aids, but the claims made by these "experts" always fall apart under rigorous empirical testing.

Daniel, you've been hoodwinked. Worse, your name is now attached to a fraudulent product. A lot of people look up to you, and your endorsement of this product WILL influence many people to try it out. And that's tragic. They'll blow hard-earned money on a holographic band-aid that does nothing, and your reputation as a trustworthy source will go down in flames.

PLEASE. Protect the community and your good name - retract your endorsement. Then, use this as a teaching opportunity. Word needs to get out that many many fraudulent products like this are out on the market: aura sprays, healing crystals, detoxifying foot baths, homeopathic potions that are chemically indiscernible from regular water, LED light therapy, magnet therapy, the list goes on and on. You got blind-sided by hucksters. But now's the time to make it right.

Respectfully,
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^^Great post Jimmylegs


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Old 06-25-2010, 02:11 PM   #122
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Endura Poker Strips.
Homeopathic treatment aka hogwash.
It's a shame people trying to claim they are smart fall for this crap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErKSixYY4Wg

hate these scam artists. the guy selling the device is consciously or unconsciously controlling the force he uses each and every time.

i ran into some guy selling one of these and made him do it blind, it failed.

of course, one time means nothing. in order to prove how worthless it is you would need to do at least a hundred of these blind tests. i have no doubt the results would be completely random.
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Old 06-25-2010, 02:11 PM   #123
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Woah, woah, woah.... I have never received one red cent to endorse this product. I've seen these exact same stickers used in golf and they asked me if I'd try it for a video at Bellagio. I didn't even know what to expect or anything. They put a mic on me, and then did the "thing."
These stickers have been used for years in golf and Dewey swears by them. He says they alleviate pain when he uses them while he golfs. I've never used them at golf except for this one shot at the Mark Wahlberg Celebrity Golf tournament earlier this year where they had a booth and were showing us how they work.

Like I said, I'm not getting paid a dime by them and I don't use them while I play poker. Unless you've tried the arm thing, though, I guess it's impossible to prove to you that it worked. I felt a distinct difference when Dustin did the arm thing on me for sure. Maybe it's placebo, maybe I'm nuts, but I'm telling you I noticed something different for sure.
[ ] tried the arm thing

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[x] for sure
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Old 06-25-2010, 02:12 PM   #124
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hate these scam artists. the guy selling the device is consciously or unconsciously controlling the force he uses each and every time.

i ran into some guy selling one of these and made him do it blind, it failed.

of course, one time means nothing. in order to prove how worthless it is you would need to do at least a hundred of these blind tests. i have no doubt the results would be completely random.
good work detective
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Old 06-25-2010, 02:28 PM   #125
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I'm glad Daniel did that video, the chick is hot so I don't care about the other BS.
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