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Negreanu and Brunson fall for confidence tricksters. Negreanu and Brunson fall for confidence tricksters.

06-27-2010 , 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ManWithBrisk
This is a really good video. Everything from a short change to magnet therapy to ESP.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...9972338925774#
noice

i've seen Brushwood before, he's the shizz
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06-27-2010 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Placebos and Peeping Toms in my new book DUCY.
Nice mix of high & low culture there...
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06-27-2010 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Freudian
The difference is that there is no claim that a t-shirt is anything but a t-thirt or that a shoe is anything but a shoe. If MJ had claimed his Nike shoes had some kind of paranormal abilities, he too would have been called a scammer.

Hope that clears it up for you.
Well... Nike DID have the "it's gotta be the shoes" campaign...
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06-27-2010 , 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Freudian
No one has a problem with anyone saying they prefer a product in commercials. .
doesn't even matter...dvr making commercials pointless
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06-27-2010 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Big D McGee
Exactly. If gatorade makes some BS claim about electrolytes, at least at the end of the day, if you buy a gatorade, you'll have a flavored drink. If you buy these magic strips, you'll have $44 dollar stickers.
But you'll still have a cool sticker!

Ok, that's a joke, not defending them or even playing devil's advocate.

The Gatorade example approaches this territory but still remains a separate "scam". Mainly because the electrolyte claim ISN'T b.s.
HOWEVER, what Gatorade doesn't tell you is that the main electrolyte within, the main one you lose when playing sports (or tilling a garden in the sun, or moving a couch up 5 flights of stairs, etc etc) is sodium... Just plain ol' salt. All you need to do is eat or drink something with salt in it and this "crucial electrolyte will be replenished".
Basically it's diluted kool aid with salt added. (and not to digress too much, but the potassium content, the other crucial electrolyte needed in "replenishment", is NOT negligible though it isn't exactly loaded with it. orange juice does the trick much better)
So all these nutrition "scams" are a bit different, in that while still prey on people's lack of basic scientific and nutritional knowledge, they don't actually present false scientific claims. Their big sin is implying that their product is the ONE and ONLY way to do what they do when in reality they're just a much more expensive and convoluted way to achieve the result.

p.s. OH GOD don't get me started on the poor diabetics and how they're used and abused to within an inch of their lives and pocketbooks. Two words: GLUCOSE TABLETS. Whoever came up with that idea should be jailed.

Last edited by Chump Change; 06-27-2010 at 12:58 PM. Reason: O GAWD
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06-27-2010 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Chump Change
But you'll still have a cool sticker!

Ok, that's a joke, not defending them or even playing devil's advocate.

The Gatorade example approaches this territory but still remains a separate "scam". Mainly because the electrolyte claim ISN'T b.s.
HOWEVER, what Gatorade doesn't tell you is that the main electrolyte within, the main one you lose when playing sports (or tilling a garden in the sun, or moving a couch up 5 flights of stairs, etc etc) is sodium... Just plain ol' salt. All you need to do is eat or drink something with salt in it and this "crucial electrolyte will be replenished".
Basically it's diluted kool aid with salt added. (and not to digress too much, but the potassium content, the other crucial electrolyte needed in "replenishment", is NOT negligible though it isn't exactly loaded with it. orange juice does the trick much better)
So all these nutrition "scams" are a bit different, in that while still prey on people's lack of basic scientific and nutritional knowledge, they don't actually present false scientific claims. Their big sin is implying that their product is the ONE and ONLY way to do what they do when in reality they're just a much more expensive and convoluted way to achieve the result.

p.s. OH GOD don't get me started on the poor diabetics and how they're used and abused to within an inch of their lives and pocketbooks. Two words: GLUCOSE TABLETS. Whoever came up with that idea should be jailed.
I was shocked when I bought gatorade in the states at how rubbish it was nutrients wise- its just coloured, salted, sugar water! Cant believe they get away with all this electrolyte bs.
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06-27-2010 , 05:50 PM
Spooky!
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06-27-2010 , 09:26 PM
The Endura strip is like Viagra on steroids.
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06-27-2010 , 10:26 PM
haha from Doyle's twitter


TexDolly You 2 plus 2 posters need to go to thegolfchip.com and see Fred Funk, Bernard Langer, Fuzzy Zoeller, Steve Spurrier and the Endura strips.
3 minutes ago via web

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TexDolly I understand the placebo effect, even so if it helps...good. I own no part of the Endura company and haven't been paid a dime.
1 minute ago via web
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06-27-2010 , 10:27 PM
From twitter:
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TexDolly

You 2 plus 2 posters need to go to thegolfchip.com and see Fred Funk, Bernard Langer, Fuzzy Zoeller, Steve Spurrier and the Endura strips. 4 minutes ago via web
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TexDolly

I understand the placebo effect, even so if it helps...good. I own no part of the Endura company and haven't been paid a dime. 3 minutes ago via web
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06-27-2010 , 10:49 PM
Felt bad about the Negreanu/stickers shop after I found out his endorsement was a lie. So here's a little restitution...

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06-28-2010 , 12:20 AM
Solid Dollyshop!
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06-28-2010 , 12:38 AM
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TexDolly

You 2 plus 2 posters need to go to thegolfchip.com and see Fred Funk, Bernard Langer, Fuzzy Zoeller, Steve Spurrier and the Endura strips. 4 minutes ago via web
Says the guy who financed expeditions to find Bigfoot and Noah's ark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZtjyg8wYac#t=2m46s

On a more serious note, personal testimony is not proof that these strips work in the way the manufacturers claim. That would require actual scientific testing.
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06-28-2010 , 12:41 AM
He says they found The Titanic but ran out of money. Pretty crazy story if true.
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06-28-2010 , 02:21 AM
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http://www.endurapokerstrips.com/faq/

Has the Endura Poker Strip been clinically tested?

We are in the process of testing placebo controlled studies - clinical testing and results will be forthcoming. However, as of this time the Endura Poker Strip has not been clinically tested. The Endura Poker Strip has been tested in non-clinical human applications with very promising results. The Endura Poker Strip worked in these studies for approximately 95% of people that used them.
these scam artists should be put up against a wall and executed.

lol at the placebo controlled studies haven't been done yet.

all it would take is a machine that exerts a force on the arm and then you need a couple of test subjects who randomly wear the sticker or not and measure the result which would be completely random.

so disturbing
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06-28-2010 , 12:15 PM
Yes. Why use something like a scale or a gauge to measure force, when you can use a salesman pressing down on your arm to do it (as was shown in the now deleted video).
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06-28-2010 , 01:07 PM
These work great on my junk.

Now I've got a Magic Johnson. The ladies just won't leave me alone.
I have to fight them off with a stick, a Magic Stick.
Wink...
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06-28-2010 , 03:24 PM
"If you like money like I do, then I suggest you use these Strips. Everybody knows I play long secessions - Doyle Brunson

Wait what? Is the south rising again to leave the union?

Last edited by JoeyJoJo Shabadu; 06-28-2010 at 03:30 PM.
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06-28-2010 , 05:40 PM
I find Doyle's love for placebos more surprising than his love for secessions.
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06-28-2010 , 08:29 PM
Does Dewey Tomko purposely make it look like he has no eyes?
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06-28-2010 , 10:30 PM
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TexDolly

You 2 plus 2 posters need to go to thegolfchip.com and see Fred Funk, Bernard Langer, Fuzzy Zoeller, Steve Spurrier and the Endura strips. 4 minutes ago via web
LOL, So the Endura guys are basically buying stickers from thegolfchip.com for $29.99 and selling them for $44.95...

Awesome.

Edit: DN vid shows them using GOLF stickers.
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06-29-2010 , 02:56 AM
Apperently this scam has been around for 5yrs or so.

Ok so apparently this guy named Ken Rasner is the original instigator of this little marketing ploy. He had a company called Lifewave that sold a sticker making these same claims (all kinds of youtube videos for it). Made a fortune but couldnt get a patent (wonder why), and then created a new off shoot called CieAura. Now there are a bunch of copy cats.

Found this post on a forum. Lot of money in this little scam.

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One of the first things I notice is that it seems to be impossible to contact the company through their website. No phone number listed, no contact emails and even the executive bio is very vague. Ken Rasner's bio says:
Founder and CEO of CieAura, LLC and co-owner/President of Harmonic FM, LLC; the company that manufactures CieAura transparent holographic chips.
• Served as Senior VP for a $50 million direct sales company and as Executive Vice President helped a start-up network marketing company grow from under $650,000 a month to over $24 million of annualized sales in five months.
• Nearly three years lived in Asia and served as president for a $240 million international network marketing company.
Why doesn't Ken Rasner name the company he served with as an executive VP?
Maybe because that company was Lifewave, a company ripped to shreds by WorldWideScam and selling a "patch"
LifeWave patches communicate with the body through the human magnetic field. This is known as resonant energy transfer. It sends the message, “transport fat to the mitochondria and make ATP” to the cells. This produces increased energy.
Here is his bio from Lifewave. Why would he NOT name the company in his current bio?
Ken Rasner
Ken heads up the network marketing arm and provides LifeWave with the sales strategies and infrastructure necessary to increase the success of each of our distributors.Some of these strategies include our 10 step action plan, our formal presentation, our pocket presentation, our 3 minute message, our communication systems, our recognition program, our 2-a-day CDs, and many other systems and tools that can be easily be duplicated.Additionally he assists in the development of our company promotions and coordinates our Advanced Training Workshops, Regional Conferences, and Super Saturdays.Ken has written, published and sold books and training CDs world wide on Network Marketing and brings over 30 years of teaching and training experience to LifeWave.

A unique combination of extremely successful ,in the field, experience together with exceptionally successful corporate experience allows Ken to contribute a wealth of talent and knowledge to help our distributors.Because of Ken,s extensive international experience, his expertise is a major asset as we expand globally.
Read this too for other red flags on this business:
http://www.npros.com/articles/redflags.asp
Good article
http://quazen.com/shopping/consumer-...s-scam-or-not/

museum of hoaxes forum
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/f...wthread/10252/

Last edited by level 4-3; 06-29-2010 at 03:25 AM.
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06-29-2010 , 05:21 AM
^^^ Wow, disgusting.

So there IS money in stickers.

Edit: Photographic Proof

Last edited by RonMexico; 06-29-2010 at 05:30 AM.
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06-29-2010 , 09:29 AM
Ok so Lifewave was the original (founded by David Schmidt) 2004 and many new emulators are spin offs by former members of Lifewave. They just take the original idea and expand on it.

They are mostly MLM's (multi level marketing) companies.
Pyramid style schemes


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing

Last edited by level 4-3; 06-29-2010 at 09:36 AM.
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06-29-2010 , 10:36 AM
*hurp* I just threw up in my mouth a little.
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