Well it was nice while it lasted. Thanks for coming by Daniel.

Mason, you should be ashamed. Are you really this insecure?

I'm sure Daniel returning will attract the same number of people to 2+2 that he drew away with his comments on FCP.

zero.

Sigh.

Just a small note (and perhaps someone else has expressed this) but I'll never understand the impulse to discuss strategy at the table. If you want validation, just win. Furthermore you're doing yourself no favors by outwardly expressing how "advanced" you are. By acting more engaging and refraining from the "I'm an awesome internet kid" routine you're also going to build a better image that should pay off more in the long run. I'm far from the most personable person in the world and I've definitely been guilty of descending into headphone land but I still try to at least be friendly and cordial with my amateur opponents. In fact one of my favorite things to do at live tourneys is chat with the older amateurs on breaks. There's definitely a selfish angle to this as I like to refine my understanding of the thought processes of the these players but its also refreshing to hear from the perspective of someone who isn't jaded at all with the game. I think the internet guys too often forget what got them interested in poker in the first place. Engaging with the amateurs is one way we can remember why we play the game.

I agree with this. It's important that it's just natural and genuine and not over the top. Good point.

I didn't know what Daniel had posted on FCP until Mason posted his link.
I'm sure I'm not alone.
Mason, you have created something great with the 2+2 forums, and kudos to you for that. Good for you that you make an income from it through advertising and publishing.
That said, if there wasn't a 2+2, there would be a forum somewhere else for the poker community to congregate.
After all, it's the community that makes the forums. Not Daniel, not Mason.

It's amazing 2plus2 forums still exists despite the community that uses it not actually running it...

I don't think it could be any more obvious that anyone who supports the community behind this forum enjoys Daniel posting here. Frankly, we could care less what he says about 'the Mason'. We care about the topic he started.

Nice thread. If you kill it you will be the worst thing ever happened to your forums.

The Canadian gov't when it comes to live events has been a bit of an obstacle in the past. I've actually spoken to some higher ups in the Canadian gov't and there is lots of red tape that makes it difficult. I do think there is obviously a big market for live poker events all across Canada, but I'm not sure what that looks like at this point.

I know about the event in May, and I'm in possibility for that one.

Quite the welcome wagon lol! If you'd like to ban this account as well, that is your right sir. What's written has been written, almost two years ago now. I don't respond well to these types of tactics. I chose poker for a living because I don't like being told what to do, and that hasn't changed.

DN,
Has the culture of any country (besides Canada of course) produced players that are well suited for increasing the appeal of poker to the general public?

I have a different perspective here as unlike most in this thread I am not a pro player. Rather I am a professional (in the business world) who plays about about 150-200 hours of poker per year. Over the past 8 years I am a small winner. (I do keep track on a spread sheet). I play 2/5 nil and what I win or lose is not going to change my life, but it is a lot more fun to win than to lose. A few comments:

1. Boggles my mind when people berate bad players and criticize them. All that is going to do is encourage them to get better or play less not play. I realize I am not a pro player but I always thought you want to play with bad players.

2. The above pro players who do this are generally the players I am least worried about. More often than not they are not the best players and are looking to make excuses why they lose.

3. There are a few pros (again 2/5 players not mega stakes) who act like professionals and make their customers feel good and have a good time. These are the best of the best at the 2/5 level. And by the way for the most part they are not wearing hoodies and sun glasses...especially the sun glasses part. These pros facilitate a nice environment to play in and I can actually ask them a question about a play that I may have made to get their thoughts and they will discuss with me.

4. To all great players in 2/5 who act like jerks and think you are the greatest player in the world, I have news for you, you are not...or you would not be playing 2/5.

Interesting question. The three countries that come to mind off the top of my head are Spain, Italy, and Australia. Passionate people that are passionate about the game.

Yes. Social people (often).

If we act like pricks at the table, it will become "prison rules" poker. And a large segment of the population will not want to participate.

Hi Daniel:

I'm not telling you what to do, but since you wrote "let bygones be bygones," we at 2+2 assume you no longer agree with those nasty words in your forum. And if you're not willing to take the thread down, that would imply that you still think those words are true, something that doesn't correlate with letting bygones be bygones.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Do any of the powers to be running this message board even play poker anymore ? If having one of games biggest names posting (that actually wins at poker) isn't a good thing then I don't know what is.

I don't think "let bygones be bygones" means what you think it means.

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Hi Daniel,

Thanks for posting here, I agree with your vision and believe it's evident to anyone that the current mentality of many pros is toxic.

Do you have any ideas for improving the nature of the online game at all? Recreational players are pretty mercilessly bumhunted at higher limits, with seat selection software and huds giving already excellent players additional tools to bleed them dry with.

As an aside, it's absolutely ridiculous that a great player who is loved by much of the community and does his utmost to promote the long term viability of poker is immediately swarmed by a horde of basement dwellers.

Keep up the good work, Daniel.

If you look at the recent developements with pokerfrautalert.com(Todd Witteles) the game is still 3 handed imo ...

Asking him to remove a 2 year old thread (unless something said is libelous or something along those lines) is pretty wacky, IMO.

It seems like the vast majority of posters here want DN to post here. Bringing up past grievances seems like a great way to piss off not only him, but a ton of posters.

Deleting old threads doesn't erase the past, and asking for it suggests you're still angry about something that was said. Let it go. You don't have to like every poster on this site or everything they have said, here or elsewhere on the internet. As the site owner you can do whatever you want, but I find this recent "delete or apologize for things you've said elsewhere on the internet or else" tact pretty disturbing.

Let bygones be bygones means leaving the past in the past rather than digging it up, reposting it, and taking steps backwards to a place of conflict.

inb4 sgt rj ban