whether you like him or dislike him, daniels making very good points. reading all the personal **** tossed his way is just frustrating derailment.

Personally i think the biggest problem with cash poker is the action player is put at a big disadvantage especially in NL Holdem full ring. Have games with must straddles or antes (online). I hate the live scene where very nitty players have a big edge over action guys.

GL DNegs, I like your vision.

People need to wake up and stop with this blame the government line.

For the game to progress, it needs to be properly regulated.
Had the government not stepped in, the FTP disaster would've been a hell of a lot worse.

Currently the US market is in a temporary state of limbo. Unfortunately, it's something that has to be endured for the greater good.

My personal long term view is that the government may well have saved poker.

Great post.

The point about professional players getting into juicy private games because they are likeable despite being big winners is very interesting and something I've often wondered about. Nice to read the view of a top professional on the subject. I'm sure you'll have a few invites to games like these from the way you conduct yourself.

Hope you stick around and post regularly now Daniel. Only good things can come from it.

All the best.

I once bragged to Daniel that I had 23 straight winning sessions in a row he said it was no big deal/ not impressive. I then got a DUI for hitting a police cruiser and not too long after got banned from his forum... Daniel owns the doom switch; tread lightly..

nah... you were just a fish on a heater

OP,

Keep in mind that the rec players who frequent the games you play in (multimillionaire businessmen) are probably quite adept at processing their place at the table. Thus, there is a fine line between including the 'fish' in comfortable table banter as opposed to patronizing them because you want them to stay for a as long as possible and donate.

Sometimes, when I watch televised poker and I see a top pro who has some talk game (like Antonio or yourself), kick it with the fish, that line seems to be crossed. I would think you guys should be careful not to make the rec players think, "wow they are being overly nice to me because they just want me to donate." It is a fine line of course, but I'd be careful not to underestimate the ability of the rec to process what is REALLY taking place during all the 'friendly' table banter.

I 100% agree that the poker utopia you describe is in everybody's long term interests. GL trying to get a bunch of individualistic poker players to implement anything other than what is most EV for them in the present, however.

Do you think Live Events in Canada that are hosted by online operators will grow? Or will the gov't make it too hard?

Will you be playing the Montreal tourney that Stars is hosting this May?

Please do

Daniel, have you considered co-authoring a pro poker players manifesto/doctrine?

one that discusses the important issues of being a professional (etiquette and lifestyle management) as well as analyzes the poker economy as a whole from the days of doyle, to pre-moneymaker, to post-moneymaker, to post-black friday.

it could be a modern day type Super System, with an emphasis on next level strategy (peak performance, happiness, understanding among players) and a de-emphasis on balancing your cbet range.

off the top of my head yourself, barryg, and anotnio would be excellent candidates, with some online pros and perhaps politicians or casino owners offering interesting perspectives as well.

however i wouldn't trust phil galfond because training sites are an extremely negative agent in poker (please include this in the poker economy section ), and are the precursor to excessive and predatory bumhunting. cardrunners was founded in 2005, and bumhunting was coined in 2007 - no coincidence).

+1

Barry's book, Ace on the River, is similar to what you described.

If we would all just "blank" then everything would "blank".

You can fill in the blanks however you want... it's weak.

What worked for poker was: "For very little risk, you too could become a millionaire."

What doesn't work for poker is: "For a potentially sizable risk you too could be fleeced by calculating sharps."

As spectators the public wants to see a good fight. Put two guys in a cage, throw in one sword, "two men enter, one man leaves." It's good fun.

As participants the public wants a fighting chance. Put ten guys in a ring, give everybody a sword, and lets see who wins.

We'll never be able to control anything (of substantial value) with rules.

Maybe get Dana White to chime in...

Hi Everyone:

First off, we think this is a very good thread and an important discussion for our industry, so we hope it continues. But we do have some issues with Daniel Negreanu returning to our forums that I’ll address here.

In the first post of this thread, Negreanu writes “but it’s time to let bygones be bygones and move forward.” Well that’s fine with us, but for this to happen it must be a two way street, and so far that is not the case.

On Negreanu’s own site, Full Contact Poker, there is a thread that he started called “2+2 Is Run By Scumbags,” and for him to become part of the 2+2 community this thread needs to be deleted. Here’s a link to it:

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...312&hl=malmuth

For those interested, please take a look at Posts Nos. 1, 34, 35, 36, and 45. In addition, Post No. 60 is an embedded interview that Negreanu did for the “50+ hour poker podcast dubbed “The Ironman Podcast” benefitting the 22Q.org Foundation., and he makes some comments about me and 2+2 starting at about 18 minutes and 45 seconds.

For those who don’t know, 2+2 has a no solicitation for money policy which with just a few exceptions we strictly enforce. Apparently, Negreanu was objecting to our policy. But in this case, it was certainly the right policy since most of the money for the 22Q Foundation was apparently stolen by the main organizer of “The Ironman Podcast.” Also, to help the 22Q Foundation cover the loss, I donated $2,500 directly to them. And finally, I tried to contact Negreanu last night and he has so far not responded.

Best wishes,
Mason

Missed ya' yo!!

Referring to both the $40-$80 and $20-$40 games at The Bellagio, I think the opposite is true. Based on my observations, which could be off since at the moment since I'm only an occasional player, these games seem to have picked up the last six months.

Mason

....really?

"you can come back highly visible poker pro, but only if you remove the mean things you said about me on the internet."

you're running a business here, a a thicker skin would help your customers (2p2 users) and your bottom line (DNegs posts -> more traffic -> more money for you).

In post No. 45 in the referenced Full Contact Poker thread Negreanu writes:

while you write:

MM

i don't think it works that way. even for daniel.

Yes. He made some harsh posts about you on his forum. And I think he meant it. But I don't think he is obnoxious or confrontational usually, so there may be some real issues that separate you two, or there may be a failure to communicate. My advice to you is to let him post here if he follows your rules, and shows respect while he is here. And if he eventually modifies his public opinion of you ... great.

This will not end well

The irresistible force meets the immovable object.

Seriously. Does it really matter what he writes on ANOTHER website, that has nothing to do with 2p2.

Perhaps I'm being selfish, but the guy finally comes back and people want to hear what he has to say and you have to make it personal??? What does HIS PERSONAL OPINION OF YOU HAVE TO DO WITH FOLLOWING THE RULES OF THE FORUM? Buzzkill

Best wishes,
MacauBound

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