My retraction of certain statements made about UltimateBet and Joe Norton - Page 9 - Poker News

There is a somewhat middle ground here.

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PS - none of this is to suggest that C. Fiji and his work are anything but true assets to the poker community, it is pretty tacky and stupid for JN to have threatened suit.

There is no middle ground in this matter- only right and wrong.

Your last sentence defines the Hero and the Villain in this story.

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07-17-2008 , 05:55 PM

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Rushstreet07

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Originally Posted by Nick Rivers

No, that's not the problem. The problem is the US government is, at present, a bunch of douchebags.

That's a logical fallacy. Nobody wants to be scammed. Lots of people want to play online poker. Lots of people want illegal firearms or discounted cigarettes, and lots of people want to smoke weed. The point is that the Kahnawake tribe has repeatedly given the US (and Canadian) government the middle finger, and by hosting online gambling sites, they're doing it yet again. The kind of upstanding citizens you wish would run online gambling sites aren't willing to do that.

He may not be a hero, but he's certainly only a minor league villain when compared the governments and agencies he's willing to stand up to. If it weren't for the Joe Nortons of the world, you wouldn't even be able to play online poker.

You guys really are an unbelievable bunch of whiners. You want to engage in an activity deemed illegal by many of the world's governments (namely, the US government) and, when you realize one of the only guys willing to spread the game might be a criminal with underworld ties, you get all bent out of shape. Ergo, you all are ******s. As long as I keep on winning, I'll take a game at a Kahnawake poker room over no game at all any day.

In short, it's all George Bush's fault, not Joe Norton's.

Lets say you come to Chicago and want to play a little poker and I know of an underground game... I also know the game uses marked cards occassionally but hey its notmy job to tell you that... I take you there they rape you for all your dough using marked cards, you get upset, I call you a whiny little bitch and tell you that you should have known better. I thne tell you its not my fault for taking you to thegame its Mayor Daleys fault then I laugh at you and call you a whiny little bitch again. you want some more sucker? makes sense to me

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07-17-2008 , 06:05 PM

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Willywoo

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Originally Posted by Harvester

Clearly....some of us have learned nothing from all of this.

Understanding that you don't believe that online gaming is or would be safe anywhere unless regulated by the US or your own country, my question is this:

Some sites are licensed and "regulated" by the KGC and have their servers there. Other sites, like Poker Stars are licensed and regulated in The Isle of Man, yet when you check your server connections on Poker Stars in the lobby under Help and Network Status, it shows that the servers are through MIT, Mohawk something, and that they are in Kahnawake, Canada. It also shows other server locations such as the University of California, University of Melbourne, University of Cambridge and Harvard.

What does this mean and what is the difference if any, is there between being licensed somewhere, Isle of Man or Alderney and where the servers are?

I also noticed that while Poker Stars is on the Kahnawake permit holder list and according to the KGC site they are required, as a permit holder, to have to KGC logo on their site, they do not. Seems a bit odd.

Anyway, if anyone can shed any light on this, I would be interested.

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07-17-2008 , 06:18 PM

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KurtSF

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Originally Posted by Willywoo

I also noticed that while Poker Stars is on the Kahnawake permit holder list and according to the KGC site they are required, as a permit holder, to have to KGC logo on their site, they do not. Seems a bit odd.

They used to be licensed by KCG. They left, and are now licensed by a legit regulating body.

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07-17-2008 , 06:18 PM

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if the republican *******s had not managed to sneak UIGEA into a bill designed to protect our SEAPORTS we'd be doing fine...

instead we're all criminals

gobama

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07-17-2008 , 06:32 PM

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SgtKyle

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Fiji ftmfw well done

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07-17-2008 , 06:46 PM

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Roger Mainfield

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07-17-2008 , 06:46 PM

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Willywoo

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Originally Posted by KurtSF

They used to be licensed by KCG. They left, and are now licensed by a legit regulating body.

I understand that they are now licensed by The Isle of Man. My question is why does the MIT(Mohawk/Kahnawake) server show up under the Help, Network status tabs of the Poker Stars Lobby and why does the KGC still list them as a permit holder?

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07-17-2008 , 07:49 PM

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Rushmore

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Originally Posted by thesnowflake

if the republican *******s had not managed to sneak UIGEA into a bill designed to protect our SEAPORTS we'd be doing fine...

instead we're all criminals

gobama

Yeah, it's definitely a partisan political issue. It has nothing whatsoever to do with taxes.

Because, uh, the republicans are really the only one who are--

Never mind.

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07-17-2008 , 09:00 PM

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Dranoel

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Originally Posted by thesnowflake

if the republican *******s had not managed to sneak UIGEA into a bill designed to protect our SEAPORTS we'd be doing fine...

instead we're all criminals

gobama

The Democrats control the House & Senate. They could have blocked it if they choose to. I guess they hate us too.

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07-17-2008 , 09:15 PM

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joel2006

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Originally Posted by Dranoel

The Democrats control the House & Senate. They could have blocked it if they choose to. I guess they hate us too.

They didn't control them when the UIGEA was passed.

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07-17-2008 , 09:18 PM

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Dranoel

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Originally Posted by joel2006

They didn't control them when the UIGEA was passed.

I stand corrected. It passed in Sept 2006- 2 months before the election.

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07-17-2008 , 09:22 PM

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Rushstreet07

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Originally Posted by Dranoel

I stand corrected. It passed in Sept 2006- 2 months before the election.

The democrats do control the house and senate now and have since that election. So far every attempt to overturn or exclude poker from UIEGA have failed so i guess the democrats are not free from blame either. The problem is nothing like tihs ever gets done in an election year... once the election is behind us look for some movement.

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07-17-2008 , 09:59 PM

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zerocarb

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Originally Posted by Dexter_Cain

POTFY imo

This.

TY OP.

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07-17-2008 , 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cornell Fiji

3) I think I have a pretty good idea of what the Kahnawakes are capable of and that scares me. This is a group that brought the Canadian army to its knees in 1990.

I have tons of respect for you Cornell, stay safe. Still this line made me lol soooo hard.

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07-17-2008 , 10:28 PM

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DCD

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Originally Posted by The Bandit Fish

Yes, but bridges might be a problem.

NOT FOR LONG ,LOL

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07-17-2008 , 10:33 PM

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CrazyEyez

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I read the OP again today and obviously CF wins the internet.

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07-17-2008 , 10:42 PM

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kailua

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Originally Posted by Skallagrim

There is a somewhat middle ground here....
I kind of admire the Mohawks and Joe Norton's willingness to stand up to authority..... So if JN and the Mohawks are merely outlaws defying the government, cool.

It wouldn't happen to be their lack of transparency that you "kind of admire?"

wonderful work CF

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07-17-2008 , 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cornell Fiji

This actually brings up two important things that I wanted to add:

1) I am under the impression that if you are under 25 that you are totally invincible... thats true right... right?

2) If any twoplustwoer is or knows a good pro bono slander defense lawyer please send me a PM. I think I have a pretty good case and I am pretty sure from watching steroid commentary on ESPN that people don't like to file suits for slander when they have a dirty past because the lawsuit could force them to open up their books during discovery. ESPN wouldn't steer me wrong would it?

3) I think I have a pretty good idea of what the Kahnawakes are capable of and that scares me. This is a group that brought the Canadian army to its knees in 1990. If I have angered anyone to the point of physical violence please just send me an email or give me a call to let me know that you are pissed off and that you plan on hurting me and I PROMISE to shut up. Seriously, you don't need to hurt me, just put a horse head on my pillow and I will stop talking.

You know that the young guns have taken over the poker world that when, at 24 years old, you are a geezer. That is why I love playing O8, nobody calls me 'old man' at the O8 tables.

Cornell,
Come and live on my island and the Brits and I will look after you,and if sitting bull comes after you then we shall dump him in the English Channel !!
Seriously take care dude and keep up the fine work.

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07-17-2008 , 11:51 PM

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bardolino

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Great retraction, fantastic work on this CF.

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07-17-2008 , 11:58 PM

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TAXIDEL 3

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Originally Posted by optimus

I think you guys are making a mistake by attacking a native indian tribe like this. This is not your battle, can be easily construed against you, and might even ruin the credibility and bring to question the motives of the 2+2 UB investigation (eps. for people/media not familiar with the case).

Mod, it may be best if this thread is deleted.

^^^^^^ S T F U !!!! you mad arthur.

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07-18-2008 , 12:21 AM

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lapoker17

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excellent work. this rivals the capt tom gimmick.

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07-18-2008 , 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Willywoo

I understand that they [PokerStars] are now licensed by The Isle of Man. My question is why does the MIT(Mohawk/Kahnawake) server show up under the Help, Network status tabs of the Poker Stars Lobby and why does the KGC still list them as a permit holder?

Really?

My understanding is that in order to be hosted on the MIT servers or w/e, sites must be licensed by the KGC. So this leads me to believe that PS is still in fact licensed by the KGC, despite now also being licensed by the Isle of Man.

Can anyone clarify the situation?

Last edited by curious123; 07-18-2008 at 12:53 AM. Reason: spelling

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07-18-2008 , 12:58 AM

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curious123

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In the Kahnawake thread a couple posters seem to be under the impression that PS is now using Manx servers...

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Originally Posted by tarath

I am certain pokerstars has its server in the Isle of Man which I believe has a good reputation.

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Originally Posted by *TT*

I am told by "friends who have friends" that Stars found another solution that bypasses Kanawake but the other sites don't know how it was done or they would follow suit. These friends do not work at Stars, they work for other companies in the business.

...so I had a look...