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My retraction of certain statements made about UltimateBet and Joe Norton My retraction of certain statements made about UltimateBet and Joe Norton

07-17-2008 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Cornell Fiji
I have posted about it before but from what I have learned the IoM is legit.

They have been a gambling authority for half a century, they are democratically elected, and they have a history of proactively protecting the players
Tokwiro,UB and AP recently registered in The Isle Of Man
Can we find a Lawyer there that plays Poker for some free
legal advise on prosecuting AP/UB?
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07-17-2008 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by thesnowflake
Right.
He spends hours and hours making a post.
Calling Chief whatever a `thief, murderer, criminal, drug dealer`..
saying his tribe is involved in about a billion illicit activities...
with only the loosest of proof.
Bolded for emphasis. Seeing as how truth is a defense to a defamation suit, do you honestly see Norton risking discovery of his financial transactions to sue for libel? If he does, I'll be first in line to donate to Fiji's legal defense fund, and would probably have to fight off dozens of others on 2+2.

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You can bet if there was something about `microsoft` on a website, or about the navajo community it would be sued off the web in a second.
So you're comparing Tokwiro to MS? Careful, that could be libel in the eyes of MS. . .

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I`m not saying Norton is right or wrong, i`m just saying.
What are you saying (your sentence kind of trailed off there)? Do you believe Norton is right? Do you play at UB/AP? Or are you just a gadfly acting as devil's advocate?

Cheers, Carl.
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07-17-2008 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Tokwiro,UB and AP recently registered in The Isle Of Man
Can we find a Lawyer there that plays Poker for some free
legal advise on prosecuting AP/UB?
Mark Seif FTW.
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07-17-2008 , 12:15 AM
lol, such a sweet post

<3 CF
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07-17-2008 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Cornell Fiji
2) If any twoplustwoer is or knows a good pro bono slander defense lawyer please send me a PM. I think I have a pretty good case and I am pretty sure from watching steroid commentary on ESPN that people don't like to file suits for slander when they have a dirty past because the lawsuit could force them to open up their books during discovery. ESPN wouldn't steer me wrong would it?
I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice:

Pro bono legal work is for the benefit of indigent (poor) people. I kind of doubt you qualify.

Truth is a defense to defamation as I'm sure you already know judging by your post. Libel (printed v. spoken defamation) is bit harder to defend than slander because general damages are presumed. The good news is that when the defamation (either variety) involves a matter of public concern, the plaintiff must prove, in addition to regular elements, (1) falsity of the statement (burden shifting) and (2) fault on the part of the defendant.

As far as people with dirty pasts, character evidence is generally not admissible in a civil case. But where character is directly in issue, such as in a defamation case, character evidence is admissible. So you can basically trash Chief Joe in court (in good faith) and the media will pick up on all of it.

There is pretty much no chance they are going to risk their business by attracting the negative attention that would come with a lawsuit.

Cornell Fiji and all that have pitched in to keep online poker fair.
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07-17-2008 , 12:31 AM
The internet is the smallpox blanket of the 21st century. It's the White Man's new way of keeping the Red Man down.

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07-17-2008 , 12:31 AM
Great work CF!

I didn't think that you'd be able to top your captain tom gimmick, but this just may take the cake. Kudos to you, Nat, Andathar and everyone else who has helped in exposing the truth.
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07-17-2008 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by eastern motors
I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice:

Pro bono legal work is for the benefit of indigent (poor) people. I kind of doubt you qualify.

Truth is a defense to defamation as I'm sure you already know judging by your post. Libel (printed v. spoken defamation) is bit harder to defend than slander because general damages are presumed. The good news is that when the defamation (either variety) involves a matter of public concern, the plaintiff must prove, in addition to regular elements, (1) falsity of the statement (burden shifting) and (2) fault on the part of the defendant.

As far as people with dirty pasts, character evidence is generally not admissible in a civil case. But where character is directly in issue, such as in a defamation case, character evidence is admissible. So you can basically trash Chief Joe in court (in good faith) and the media will pick up on all of it.

There is pretty much no chance they are going to risk their business by attracting the negative attention that would come with a lawsuit.

Cornell Fiji and all that have pitched in to keep online poker fair.
I am a US lawyer. Pro bono is short for pro bono publico, which is Latin for "for the public good". It has squat to so with being poor.

I have no idea what Canadian law says about the elements of defamation. I know that in some countries, truth is not an absolute defense. Still, I seriously doubt that anyone involved in the tribe would sue and subject themselves to any discovery at all. That they would address this at all, and thereby draw attention to - and lend credence to - statements already made, suggests that they have exactly zero gift for strategy.
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07-17-2008 , 12:34 AM
THAT JUST HAPPENED! /headshot

Amazing.
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07-17-2008 , 12:41 AM
I am a lawyer and he has nothing to worry about. This chief is a public figure and that means the "Times malice" standard applies- CornellFiji not only had to have given false and defamatory information, but he had to have acted in reckless disregard of the truth. It's quite clear from the links in OP that the Chief can't meet that standard, and his lawyers know it.

As far as what Canadian law provides, I assume that Canadian courts would not have personal jurisdiction over a Cornell student so it really doesn't matter. Just stay out of Canada if you're really worried about it - you have nothing to worry about under US law.
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07-17-2008 , 12:45 AM
for the tl;dr crowd here is a cliffs notes

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07-17-2008 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Jae14
That's the greatest retraction ever.
^

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Originally Posted by Cornell Fiji
If I have angered anyone to the point of physical violence please just send me an email or give me a call to let me know that you are pissed off and that you plan on hurting me and I PROMISE to shut up.
lololol
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07-17-2008 , 12:55 AM
lol at you being threatened by a Canadian law firm

"good luck with allllllllll that"

awesome stuff
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07-17-2008 , 12:58 AM
Brilliant post, though don't think the lawyers are going to like it much. For ref there are some serious online gaming jurisdictions out there and some totally mickey mouse ones. Common gaming jurisdictions are Antigua, Alderney, Costa Rica, Curacao, Gibraltar, Isle of Man, Kahnawake, Malta, Philippines (CEZA) and UK. Alderney (a small island off the coast of the UK) is live the Nevada Gaming Board of Online Gaming, if somebody has a license there, you know they are serious.
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07-17-2008 , 01:10 AM
wp
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07-17-2008 , 01:17 AM
suggest you get a good attorney
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07-17-2008 , 01:19 AM
Awesome post!...who knew your passion ran so deep? I stand in awe of your apology....great job in saying what HAD to be said!
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07-17-2008 , 01:21 AM
great post
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07-17-2008 , 01:26 AM
One question..................so who stole the monies?
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07-17-2008 , 01:33 AM
epic research

CF = hero
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07-17-2008 , 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Tokwiro,UB and AP recently registered in The Isle Of Man
Can we find a Lawyer there that plays Poker for some free
legal advise on prosecuting AP/UB?
If you would like to know more about players protection in the Isle of Man, please contact the Gambling Supervision Commission on +44 (0) 1624 694331 or email to gaming@gov.im
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07-17-2008 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by playentowin
Def would be interesting if you scanned the letter so we could all have the contact info for their legal counsel. Wonder if that would be the place to start if someone ever wanted to try serving them with a lawsuit of some sort.
OH!
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07-17-2008 , 01:46 AM
if it hasnt been said
lol retractoments
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07-17-2008 , 02:00 AM
I think we all have to agree with Annie Duke that 'new managment' is fantastic.
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