Hello,

I've been playing poker for about 3 years now. I've had my struggles, poker is just like that. I've posted here when I first started playing, tought I was good complaining about a lot of things but later I realised I was a terrible player started improving until the point when I started winning at 25 NL.

This was a breaking point for me since I was never that good at anything else before to be honest at poker was the first thing I put so much time into and loved so much. So as a winning player I started moving up stakes and poker became my living. I need to also say this, this was only possible because I was I lived in a really small apartment but still I was really happy since I was working so hard for it and it actually happened it made me feel like I am worth something.

I was playing at a smaller site it's called BetSafe if somone wants to look it up I was constantly winning at 100-50 NL. What I did was I chip dumpped a friend (heads up) that did not want to wait for a deposit and basically I got banned from it. My fault super stupid thing to do, not the part I want to talk about here in this forum I know it's a terrible thing to do.

After I got banned I tried moving to Party, started of ok at 50 NL ran a bit hot was up, and then I guess my ev evened out and I started losing real bad. Everyone seemed to be betting huge and having it for like two weeks I ran 25 BI down and

At this point I decided to buy the Kanu7 course from upswing. I tried learning while implementing his strategies and it got even worse losing even harder. (Have to mention this not blaming him or anything I have not finished the whole course and need to rewatch some parts some of it is really advanced and all that)

Here I decided I will make a small deposit and tryout 888 10$ (huge move down I know but I was destroyed at party so I thought I had no chance here at 50 aswell) went on it was break even for a little bit at and I started losing again.

Now I am at a point where I am starting to feel like I am just gambling away all my savings and I know me and my fiance need all the money we can get as young people. I am not sure and what I should do I feel heart-broken and not sure where I should move on since this was the only thing I seem to be good at.

My post is just me sharing my experience expecting for somone to help me out either tell me I should just give up or give some other advice

You should take a loan and gor for it.

Real advice: quit right now. You don't seem like you can gamble responsibly.

Well I haven't gambled away my bankroll so not really true

It seems like it's affecting your life enough to post this thread. I made my inferences from there.

Get a real 9-5 stable job, such as a poker dealer or heck maybe even deliver for Uber eats. That steady guaranteed income will alleviate a lot of your stress, hopefully clearing your mind up allowing you to play better.

The reality is that you're not going to give up poker. What you need to do is to separate your poker bankroll from your life bankroll. If your poker bankroll gets too small, you're going to have to work a job to build the money back up. There's a reason they pay you to work. It isn't something you'd do for free the vast majority of the time.

This is good advice. Most better on line sites are tough to win on, so dont be running yourself down, its difficult.
Get yourself a job you will feel better for it, you will then not be as reliant on poker.

You're gonna get a lot of bad (imo) advice on here from people who have a romanticized and warped view of poker as a profession. People who have never tried to play full time and have only seen the televised/publicized side of poker will try to tell you how it is. Take this opportunity to quit playing full time and get an education if you haven't already. Start working towards an actual career. You can find courses that run part time and accommodate those with jobs/other obligations. The last thing you want is to be pigeonholed into supporting a wife and kids by grinding microstakes. You can always come back to poker in the future and trust me, you can find plenty of time to grind in your free time even with a full time job. You don't need to be dedicating your time 24/7 to find success on the felt.

If you truly only want to pursue poker as your sole source of income, find a way to replenish your roll and get back to it. Maybe make your wife work and support you until you start turning a profit again. Find someone to lend you money or stake you.

I know from experience that it sucks giving up on the dream. But having grinded full time for 3 years, you still did better than 90% of poker players out there. Most of them end up with nothing. Take some solace in that fact. You sound like you have a decent head on you (actually studying, owning up to your own mistakes, coming to ask for advice). Good luck with whatever you choose to do. And I don't mean for this post to be an attack on poker players, as many of my closest friends are still doing it full time. Just many of those who are fortunate enough to turn it into a long term career don't realize how lucky they got or the circumstances that allowed them to find success.

Try to network your way into live games. If youre beating these stakes online, then live should be a breeze. More fun too.

This.

Thanks man, this answer seems to be the place I should be heading, I tought of live poker but I think the mental aspect of poker is taking a huge toll on me as you mentioned. I am actualy studying to be a cook right now so in a year I should have a stable way to get a job. Though I am not sure where I can get a job while the pandemic is still a thing until I complete my education.

I mean the fact is I just try to be honest with myself that's why I even ended up being an ok poker player...

Why do you think I won't give it up? Do you know many people in my situation that makes you think that or what's the case here?

Thanks for your answer

Yeah.. That's seems the place I should be going I guess. Hard pill to swallow though

Seems super risky

Good point.

She really dosen't though, weird comment.

Seems like a decent idea but still hard to take that I suck all of a sudden..

Beating micros/small stakes today is no joke man. The average player continously gets better (or rather, less worse), and then on top of that you have to battle bots and a WILD rake burden. You can be pretty damn good and still fall short of a positive winrate there.

I think you should try to look into getting a normal ass job, if it's remotely possible for you. You can add on poker to that and trust me, you will feel better playing in that circumstance.

Don't give up. A lot of free information available all over the internet.

There's a lot of emotion in that post...whatever decision you make don't make it in that emotional state

I won't that's why I made the post to ask people for opinions on what to do, feel defeating though

Sounds like you need to work on yourself first. You could of told your buddy no to chip dumping to show your good character. You could of finished your poker course before jumping back into party poker after you downswing. Your confidence is down and you continue to play losing poker. Work on yourself. Maybe you like taking the easy way in life, I don’t know. Beat of luck to you. Hope you get it turned around. I assume Party Poker is a lot harder than BetSafe. Maybe it was a soft site. Sounds like you ruined a good opportunity. Use that as a life lesson and next time a situation comes up in life like that, make the right decision. It will only benefit you the rest of life.

I understand your feeling and I can comment on that. It is a tough lifestyle when tou are losing, but an absolute rush when you are winning. Im not a very good pokerplayer but with a huge upswing I got by on my pokerwinnings for a few years. The feeling of outthinking other people for a living very much appealed to me.

At some point you will have to take a good and honest look at yourself. Are you really as good as you think you are? Are you good enough to beat the current games? Are you good enough to beat the games when they get tougher in a year? Is your wife happy with your lifestyle? What makes you happy in live?

I hope you can find a winning streak again, cause I have a very deep respect for professional pokerplayers. But my respect for former professional players who are successful in life might be even deeper.

Attack somebody, have your fiance start a GoFundMe page looking to raise $50,000.00 for "legal expenses", then start a new thread here with the link. Go back and try poker again but this time at a limit where they respect your raises. Print money. You'll experience much less pressure this go around since it's a freeroll. I've seen it happen. You'll be surprised how much sympathy and respect you earn here and the mods will immediately squelch any suspicion. I'll keep an eye out for the thread and immediately post I've known you for a long time and you're the best person to ever walk the face of the earth. You may even earn a nomination for sainthood while alive. Have I ever lied to you before?

lol Why would someone make a burner account just for this thread?

Boredom?

+1. Get a part time job to cover expenses and take pressure of having to win now. Continue to study and play low stakes to get your confidence/bankroll back. Consider this next year(or w/e timeframe works for you) a challenge to prove whether or not you can beat the games enough to stick with poker. After this timeframe is up, honestly evaluate whether poker is worth it for you. Good Luck!

Pic of your fiance or the whole thing is made up

You are sure to play more poorly than you are otherwise able if you are playing with scared money that you cannot afford to lose. Get a job and a steady source of income and play poker on the side until you are able to turn things around on the felt.

Have you tried America's Cardroom? It is insanely easy at the .01-.02 stakes.

I came in with $44 after a flubbed bitcoin transfer. Doing ok, doubled that roll so far and I barely play (maybe 3x a week on a good week, 6 hours minimum though). I used to suck at cash but I watched certain bloggers and started mirroring them somewhat and I feel confident (read Jonathan Littles small stakes book also). At $200 I'll move up to the $5 buy in (strict bankroll adherence for me). Hopefully I can keep this going.