Kid at Bellagio once rivered a PB&J sandwich - it happens

Though of course nothing can be in done in terms of this tournament, WSOP should refund the buy-in simply as a show of good faith. Player likely had more equity at this point than just buy-in amount. I think this guy has a legal case though it's likely not worth the time/expense.

I think the answer will ultimately be that while they're sorry and it was unfortunate, the situation wasn't unfair or biased, and the best action that could have been taken needed to happen at the time the hand was played. We'll also never know if it was an extra card or perhaps was mistakenly switched in for a Qd.

It's like if I flip a two-headed coin and ask you to call it in the air. If you call 'tails' you might feel that you were cheated when you found out it was a trick coin, but ultimately you had the same 50-50 chance of winning as with a genuine coin.

Perhaps you might get something out of asking, though. Good luck to the player.

I just don't understand how this happens, and it happens so often. Unless the casino is completely ******ed (which is totally possible), I think players are bringing extra cards into the games...

I was a poker dealer in 2006. When we were given a new deck, we had to inspect all the cards for damage/marks. I would fan the deck out, and counted them all. Made sure all 4 suits had all 13 cards, no duplicates, etc. When we packed a deck up, once again I would have to inspect all the cards, make sure each suit had 13 cards and put them away in a specific format (I think it was Spades, hearts, clubs, diamonds). Decks were switched out every couple of hours. On top of that, the shuffle box in the table would count the cards. I worked there part time for approx a year and a half... Not once did I ever hear a story about duplicates showing up in that room.

Only time I've ever seen a messed up deck was during a home game and two guys had quad 6's. One of the pocket 6's was 6c6c... lol.

Forgive my ignorance, I've never played in a large buy-in MTT.

Are we to assume that the faulty deck w/ (2) Queen of hearts was then continually used in play for a indeterminable period of time following this bust-out hand? I understand if nobody knows, it's not an "edge" for any one player. However, that just seems funky that a bad deck was likely used for a unknown length of time before this hand occurred and after this hand occurred. I'd like to think if I was playing a large buy-in tournament especially the WSOP branded tournament. I wouldn't have to worry about the integrity of the deck throughout my time at a table.

I do believe in the phrase "protect your hand and your action" and this error shouldn't have gone unnoticed live when it occurred. So the players bear some responsibility. However, it NEVER should have happened in the first place. When paying $x in rake, you should be entitled to basic things like a correct deck and competent dealers to ensure the deck stays "clean". It's inexcusable that a faulty deck was ever being used in the first place, at least in my opinion.

Shame on the WSOP for not training their dealers properly to better count and spread the deck with accuracy. What is the tournament rake going towards? If something basic like the integrity of the game can't even be protected.

From browsing NVG, it seems these occurrences have happened all too frequently at the WSOP along with a slew of other problems too. Stuff like this definitely leads me to think twice about playing a WSOP poker event in the future. Nobody likes feeling as if they're simply a "dollar sign" to a large corporation. Based on the actions of Caesars, it seems clear how little they think of poker players who travel to visit and play in the WSOP.

Player safety and the integrity of the poker being played should be of the highest importance and it certainly doesn't seem to be the case.

umm ...
EZ GAME

get a lawyer
burden of photoshop proof is on the Rio
UNLESS you are committing fraud and you put this FELONY out there risking jail...

they can be fair with you or they can pay you and your lawyer....
ask RAYMER for hes hes a lawyer

i'm also pretty curious how this could happen. someone well versed in dealer procedures:

1) how often are the decks sorted face up? one color per break? so a certain deck will be sorted once every 4 hours of play?
2) is there a procedure for how often a dealer is supposed to count down the deck during a pot that has action on the river? obv this only helps if there are 53 cards (an extra Qh), but still curious about procedure.

this didn't happen

no way the other players at the table don't notice this

no way you didn't notice this right away and called Floor right away before dealer re-shuffles..

no way the dealer didn't notice it

this is photoshop bull ****

Doesn't matter if the players noticed or not, you should NEVER mention it during the hand in this instance if you're not in the hand. It's up to the people in the hand (not even the dealer till after the hand to replace the deck/remove the card) to say anything at the time.

Did you deal this hand becuse u say it was ok to using a fouled deck as long as in was covered up!

what??? categorically disagree with this.

You would have to be a despicable person to not say anything after noticing the second Q

For fear of opening "Pandora's Box" the Wsop has decided there is nothing that can be done to remedy my situation. Kinda figured they wouldn't budge but when they wanted a second meeting I really thought they were gonna do something for me, anything. Sick slow roll.

So this guy basically ran into trup QQQ?

im not saying its fake. But how often do people take a picture of the tournament they busted in at level 8...

If your friend had paid attention to the cards, instead of using his phone to capture the image for history, he could have pointed out the problem at the time that it had happened.

Too late!

Yeh, I think you are shallow enough to repot preflop. Also, probably lead or checkraise flop with aces and nut flush draw.

I am surprised the extra card wasn't an ace. I mean who has a queen up their sleeve?

^^100%

This is 100% incorrect. The hands are tabled and at showdown, it's both the dealers and all players responsibility to protect the integrity of the game. If the dealer misreads the hands and is awarding the pot wrong, any/all players can/should say something. If there is a fouled deck, ANYONE who notices should say something.

Every single tournament if you're Allen Kessler and get it in with >55% equity.

File a report with gaming. This is what they exist for.

Haven't read the thread but just wanted to say I was playing an Omaha tourney where we realized we had been playing with two queens of hearts as well.