Completely wrong question to be asked here. Why not ask if there were any of the 40+ unknown cards in the deck?

OP: commiserations to your friend if true.

Clearly this. I sweat those online this way with much higher dealing speed and mostly 15+ tables. There is exactly a 0% chance no one noticed this.

This was one of my first thoughts, but this only works in a vacuum.

Factor in player experience, observational skills, fatigue, activity at the table, thinking "I'm fading the last queen" instead of "I'm fading the Queen of (suit)", then wanting to take a photo because your mind has decided your beaten. All of these things distract from the fact you're looking for one card.

Also when you're sweating online I doubt you're ever looking for dealer error, and you probably have 4-colour deck applied. Worlds apart, really.

not trying to hijack, but why aren't there 4-color decks for live poker? Seems like an absolute no-brainer.

If the photo is genuine both of these facts must be true;

1. None of the nine (?) players at the table were dealt both Qh in their hole cards in the entire time the deck was in use.
2. Both Qh were on the board at least once yet nobody at the crowded table noticed.

In my opinion Photoshop is way more likely.

isn't one of the biggest reasons we pay rake to casinos to maintain game integrity? when a casino fails to maintain game integrity (i.e. provide one of the main services we are paying for) why wouldn't a refund be in order?

also have no idea why the time frame of the OP figuring out what happened and bringing attention to it is relevant. should be extremely trivial to check the cameras and verify that two Qh were dealt.

yes, hard to believe not 1 of 10 noticed, especially with the time to takepic.

I rarely play PLO and have never dealt, so questions to dealers...

Why would the two Queens on the alleged board be pushed up given the two hands in play?

I agree. I think Mike Caro made a case for it a long time ago and it never took off. People are stuck in their ways I guess. Would take a brave person/organisation to begin mass-implementation.

Part of me thinks a small organisation like APAT might be best, but then I think their player-base is seriously at risk if they did it and it was unpopular. Part of me thinks the EPT/WPT would be better, because I think they'd be insulated against players leaving due to the prestige involved, but they'd probably be too scared to try it.

It's an insane situation, but I don't see any other way around it. In this case the dupe massively affected the outcome, but it might have equally caused skewed and significant action in other hands in ways not visible to the table at large. There's no way to draw the line, other than to say "pot shipped, next hand started, the past is now the past".

The ONLY exception is if a player at the table is found to have introduced the card to the game at some earlier point. Then it becomes somewhat subjective.

This.

And also, clearly its understandable to think this is photoshopped, but if you knew the player, you'd know that he doesn't give a **** about getting attention from people over a fake bust-out hand and he doesn't exaggerate about bad beats, in fact he's the guy who will catch people exaggerating about beats/money lost and call them out on it. He is a stand-up, genuine, cool guy. He's definitely not an attention whore or angle shooter.

I'll take this one step further so the photoshop skeptics can go away. Here are some other logical reasons explaining why this is not pshopped.

1. He posted this way too quickly on Facebook after busting out for it to be so perfectly photoshopped. Pretty sure Chris doesn't even know how to use photoshop, nor did he have the energy to find someone so quickly after busting to make a fake hand just for the sake of getting attention. What are his intentions in photoshopping this?

2. This was the caption of the picture (notice there was nothing about a messed up deck) : "Guess it wasn't meant to be in this one, this was a 40k pot with about 180 left and 117 paid. 2 years ago I got 48th in this event and never had more than 40k so yeah ...... One outers are no fun " It was pointed out by a Facebook friend at 10:00 AM the next morning that there were 2 Qh, he didn't even realize it until then and replied with "oh ****. guess I'm getting my money back. headed to see the tournament director now."

And to the people who say "there's no way no one noticed." There really is a way! The suit was irrelevant, the only thing the dude (and everyone for that matter) was looking for when they got all in on the turn, was the last queen in the deck. Yes a picture was taken so people had time to look at the bad beat, but they're still not looking at suits. I do think, however, that it was figured out later on in the night that the deck was sticky. I'm sure the floor/dealer were just hoping it didn't effect anyone, which apparently it did, very much so.

Watch this video if you think its impossible to not notice one card from another: www.youtube.com/watch?v=prEuQ2mFWL4

[QUOTE=BKiCe;43697208]isn't one of the biggest reasons we pay rake to casinos to maintain game integrity? when a casino fails to maintain game integrity (i.e. provide one of the main services we are paying for) why wouldn't a refund be in order?

This is exactly my point. Honestly, I was already counting the chips from the moment he shoved knowing all I had to do was dodge a Queen. When it hit I was in shock. How nobody at the table including the dealer realized both Queens were hearts remains a mystery. Believe me I've been going through all the possibilities all day and the only thing I can come up with is misdirection. The shock of a red Queen hitting, the counting of the stacks, some people on their phones not playing close attention, etc... While the players do have a certain responsiblity to protect their hands, and while I understand this sort of thing can happen, this just can't happen in a WSOP tournament, and if it does and there is proof of it, compensation should be awarded. On my mothers eyes this is 100% not photoshopped. I would not go through all this trouble knowing there are cameras in place that should be able to see the board if I wasn't right. I could give a **** less if I lost $1500 fairly but upon review of the picture I took for laughs with people who had a piece of me, this simply was not the case . What hurts most is the fact that there is no way of knowing how deep I could have gone with an average stack when the money hit, 70 people away. While this error could never be righted, I don't think a reimbursement is too much to ask for , but we shall see when I again meet with the higher ups tomorrow morning.

In a tournament, every time some busts out it increases your equity. I wouldn't be too surprised if someone did notice it at the time and kept their mouth shut or even the dealer noticing and not wanting to own up to screwing up.

RIO/WSOP probably doesn't want to refund player because it can turn to a bigger issue. He wasn't the only player at the table playing with a foul deck and others at the table may want a refund.

Add me to the list of players vouching for the player and the sequence of events that has been described they happen afterwards. He texted me that he had just lost to a one outter at 9:40pm with a pic of the beat. I glanced at the photo and didn't think of anything about it other than that sucks. Three hours later he jokingly txted me a picture of not being able to hit a one outter in a ten play vp machine. The following morning at 10am he txted "holy **** there was two queen of the hearts in the deck! What should I do, jack effel? Quite unbelievable chain of events but 1000% this is not photoshop. Even if he wanted to he wouldn't even know how.

Ok, I'm a believer. gross and very wierd situation.

sorry for the pain of what might have been, all you can do now is move

#ontothenextone

This likely did happen. It is not a common event, but bad decks do occur. Lots of players don't pay close attention if they are not in the hand. If they are still in, Folks get distracted , get tired, other stuff, make mistakes. Not suprised the WSOP said "sorry" and that's it. They kind of have a monopoly , lol, and a little more bad PR is not going to bother them too much.

I completely disagree. People are not looking for this type of a glitch very easily could have gotten by everyone. How often does something like this happen? Likely why it didn't register.

The dealer is indicating the winning hand of four queens. Technically, 3 cards should be pushed up on the board to make the best 5 card hand, but the ace kicker is irrelevant. You need to play with real cards more often

I'm no expert but a quick search says that colour blindness effects 1 in 12 men. If I'm reading it correctly, adding blue and green would make all the red, blue, and green look the same, which would make it even tougher than it currently is for a very high percentage of players.

The problem for WSOP is if they were to refund OP's $, everyone else in the tournament would come forward asking for a refund as well. To be fair, I think OP's buy-in should have been refunded, especially if the photo is accepted as genuine, but the WSOP and casinos are in business to make money, not give it back, so the outcome doesn't surprise me.

The villain clearly introduced the extra Q into the deck. He was set mining with 3 outs and then quad mining with 2 outs. Check the cameras and you will see I'm right.

It's the only reason he would play that trashy hand.

thats what originally made me suspicous (other than the fact that nobody noticed). I assumed dealer always revealed the full winning hand with moving up and down of board cards. as standard as burning a card.

maybe just less experienced PLO dealer.

and on your

side note. back in early days we goofed pretty badly and let a print ad with Kd in a hand and on the board get placed. woops.

Can't believe that no one at the table notices this especially given the commotion that it causes when somebody has a big suckout and the close proximity of the 2 queens

Posting for a friend that isn't on 2+2

"That'll teach you little bastards. You should have just greased me.

-Lou"

this is pathetic in so many ways. lol wsop and lol at everyone at the table who didn't see this in real time... get off your phones and pay attention. i would guess of the 9 ppl at the table when this happen 6-7 were on there phone when the pot was finished. obv huge mistake by wsop but the fact that nobody at the table spotted this is almost worse.

im pretty sure any PLO player shelling out $1500 for an entry fee should be able to spot two IDENTICAL cards on the board -- only separated by one card (the ace of spades no less!!) -- let alone 9 players and a dealer.

Doesn't look Photoshopped:

http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.ph...aa22d7f1.66314