My friend busted the 1500 PLO WSOP to rivered quads with two Qhearts on board - Page 10 - Poker News

This is standard operating procedure at rio. They basically hire anyone who can breath to deal. If you can throw cards to nine seats and semi shuffle you're hired. I made a thread about two aces of spade in a cash game i sat in that absolutely cost me at least $150, again i wasn't proactive enough but things like this absolutely need to be brought to NGC's attention. If enough of them happen perhaps we can get a competent venue for the wsop, because rio certainly isnt holding up there part of the bargain.

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06-21-2014 , 07:56 PM

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doublejoker

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Originally Posted by hankypankyAA

The problem is, once rio refunds his money its basically admitting that the event is tainted and then they open themselves up to other disputes.

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06-21-2014 , 08:24 PM

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2005

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Originally Posted by BKiCe

i'm also pretty curious how this could happen. someone well versed in dealer procedures:

1) how often are the decks sorted face up? one color per break? so a certain deck will be sorted once every 4 hours of play?
2) is there a procedure for how often a dealer is supposed to count down the deck during a pot that has action on the river? obv this only helps if there are 53 cards (an extra Qh), but still curious about procedure.

Dunno if anybody else answered but:

1) both decks are sorted every break

2) When I dealt, we were supposed to count the stub twice per down. Once per down should be customary industry-wide but I often see it not implemented

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06-21-2014 , 08:32 PM

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xxx

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This is the first year there are not red and blue decks.

Both decks are nearly the same color.

What probably happened was one card from the other deck got mixed in with the current deck during a deck change.

This has happened to a cash game I was in (a Harrah's property, BTW). I caught 2 cards the same when the dealer spread the deck... somehow 1 card from each deck got switched so that both decks were fouled but the automatic card shuffler kept the count for each deck at 52 cards. The card back colors were too close to be obviously different under the casino lighting - something like dark brown/dark green.

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06-21-2014 , 08:36 PM

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HelloFriends

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Originally Posted by LancyHoward

No what?

Jeff=name of dealer of disastrous hand

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06-21-2014 , 08:49 PM

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3fiveofdiamonds

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Originally Posted by xxx

The card back colors were too close to be obviously different under the casino lighting - something like dark brown/dark green.

Honestly, I can almost never tell the difference in colors between the two decks in poker rooms without really trying (and sometimes still can't) and I've never had any other aspects in life to lead me to believe I am colorblind.

Im not sure why they don't make them more different than they are

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06-21-2014 , 11:30 PM

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sqwerty12

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You can't reimburse the guy that busted without reimbursing everyone that busted at that table (and potentially in the whole tournament). Presumably that table played out the rest of the day with two Q hearts. Everyone was affected, not just the guy who busted in the photographed hand. In theory the rest of the tournament is affected in a way not completely dissimilar to the Borgata tournament where chips were introduced albeit at a minor scale.

Surprising that it could only happen once though. If the deck was tainted for any reasonable period of time you'd expect more instances of the two Q's being on the board than just the hand described here.

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06-22-2014 , 12:40 AM

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Reducto

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Originally Posted by LancyHoward

What is the rule if the dealer counts a stub (5 cards instead of 4) without the duplicate card on board, and the players are betting? Obviously a fouled deck. Does the hand count?

Dealer procedure in that case is to wait until the hand is over, call the floor, tell them the deck is sticky and pass it back to them. A new setup is brought in. Not necessarily a fouled deck - the dealer may have forgotten to deal one card to a stack with no player or forgotten to burn one.

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06-22-2014 , 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by droller

I just don't understand how this happens, and it happens so often. Unless the casino is completely ******ed (which is totally possible), I think players are bringing extra cards into the games...

This happens (fouled decks) way too often at the WSOP because they refuse to use different colored backs on the decks. I have never been in another casino that has all the decks with the same color backs.

This is a tournament, not a cash game. There won't be any new decks until play is over with for the day, like 2 am.

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06-22-2014 , 02:12 AM

#236

DayTripping

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Originally Posted by Larons

[ ] knows what statute of limitations means

[ ] meant it in a literal sense

Are you a lawyer?

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06-22-2014 , 08:15 AM

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Caputop

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Originally Posted by xxx

I don't understand why the green and the brown always seem to go together. They are very hard to tell apart. Almost any other combination of colors for the backs would work better.

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06-22-2014 , 09:15 AM

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sickbeatman

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Best hand won.

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06-22-2014 , 06:46 PM

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Jon_locke

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I was in o8 event a year or two ago where a player stopped play on second or third hand Because he was dealt a joker.

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06-23-2014 , 01:59 PM

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AlfieAK2014

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Originally Posted by Jon_locke

I was in o8 event a year or two ago where a player stopped play on second or third hand Because he was dealt a joker.

Jokers wild didnt he know

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06-23-2014 , 03:14 PM

#241

golfnutt

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Four color deck.

Who cares if someone is color-blind. That is why there are shapes.

I think the real reason is that it would be a lot easier to cheat. Right now if you are flashed a red-card, you are only 50% sure.

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06-23-2014 , 05:03 PM

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ReasonableGuy

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How is this not posted yet?

One small fix to the lyrics:

"Playing with two queens of hearts
Knowin' it aint really smart..."

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07-07-2014 , 05:30 PM

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valleballe

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Originally Posted by ReasonableGuy

How is this not posted yet?

lol, 6th post in the thread...

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07-10-2014 , 03:32 PM

#244

crsseyed

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(assume) 9 handed PLO, any hand dealt out to river=41 of 52 cards dealt.

chances of 2 Q

's being in deck and dealt out earlier/later and never noticed by another player are so low, think about it. especially the chance that this apparently was even never discovered on a later hand, only by a picture taken on an incredible bustout.

of course it's possible but so highly unlikely this was never noticed on this hand, any previous hand, or any later hand..........

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