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08-30-2009 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Kerabatsos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M-ewGunb2o


Biz, Don't Get Gassed!

drugs
LOL that was ****ing awesome
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08-30-2009 , 06:22 AM
So people are saying he “invested” some money, what are sites able to do legally with peoples funds in a poker site?
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08-30-2009 , 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 1o BoY
So people are saying he “invested” some money, what are sites able to do legally with peoples funds in a poker site?
Nothing with a potential for loss or which would make funds unavailable for any period of time - basically they can put player's money in an interest bearing bank account and that's about it. If they're not very strict about segregation of funds and separate accounting from the start the temptation to dip into those funds is inevitably going to be huge since they won't expect everyone to cash out at the same time.
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08-30-2009 , 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by zachjackdad
Bruiser,
I think you are very out of line putting this back on Marc. I know 100s of people in poker and I can tell you first hand he is the most trustworthy person I know. I can also say I knew Marc before he knew what eurolinx was and he was very cautious about his relationship with them. They paid over 100k in buy-ins for him and he had over a million dollars in his account at one point. There is no way he would ever know this is coming. In the last 2 months Marc still believed in Jo and at the end of the day he kept telling his friends that he personally stood more to lose than anyone. Let's remember though that for over 2 years we had no issues with eurolinx. They were a great site and did everything for ther customers. All of a sudden everything went bad a few months ago. I think its ok to say you don't feel sorry for Marc because he trusted the wrong people but its very wrong imo to question the integrity of one of the most honest people I've ever met. You have to understand which you probably don't that Marc is not just a pro poker player he is a roll model for our entire poker community. There are not too many pros who still take the time to goto $40 homegames with their friends and people who still want to play with him, this is a guy who busts deep at the wsop or loses a 30k pot and will still take time to give advice to someone who asks him about a hand they played at the final table of a 4.40. You seriously have a lot of nerve questioning someone's integrity like this however I guess its your right as an idiot to do so.
Here here... I'll 2nd this statement!!

Marc is a STANDUP guy & ANYONE who thinks that he has had anything to do with this either directly or indirectly needs to give their head a shake.

I'm sure that Marc knows without a doubt that the people that he truely respects, his local community & that his peers in the poker community have NO ill will towards him... We all thank him for all he's done for us & wish him all the best in the future!!

Bruiser, I think you're out of line with your comments but as zachjackdad said, it's your right to have your own opinion...

Thanks for your honesty & openness Marc... I look forward to being able to follow your new endeavors that we are all sure will present themselves for you in the future!

Peace
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08-30-2009 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jokotokolino
Ok. is see much speculation. Also that it went good with Eurolinx the first 2 years. Jo Remme said to me in a telephone conversation that they were trading with funds. I have been a stockbroker for 11 years. No lets see... When did Eurolinx get in trouble. As Marc said Jo asked him for money a year ago. When did the stockmarket, real estate, commodities plunge?? RIGHT a few months before that. So in my believe they had a couple of great years with trading but took a big hit after all assets plunged.

So i really think he wasn't lying that time. Also because i think he had the hope that the markets would recover more then they did. But when so many players ask for there money it wasn't possible to get out of this mess. Be honest if u had your money u would never play there again, right?
wait... so you knew they were trading with people's money and you didnt say anything and you kept on playing there!??
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08-30-2009 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by bigdottawa
How the **** has he degraded himself as a person?

You've degraded yourself in your ****ed up posts. Are all 8k of your **** this trollish?

How much have you lost? Is that what you're going off about? Blaming dude directly for your losses?
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Originally Posted by slamdunka
YES
YES Marc was the face of Eurolinx just like Hellmouth and Annie Duke at UB fwiw

played at Eurolinx never cashed out but they always offered free money to come back - didn't even want it - went to other MG skins and always got the checks - got bad vibes and left all MG skins - it all comes down to trusting the owners of the site you play - we players are at their mercy - if the want to scam us we are screwed - GL to all who got scammed getting your moniez
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08-30-2009 , 09:42 AM
And people wondering how ivey lost 7 million at craps in the other thread, hmm hahah.
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08-30-2009 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiteWhidow
sick story wish u gl op

but the owner(was he the owner of the site ?) is asking U(a good costumer at this site) to lend him 200k, wow that would sound so sick to me even with the best deals in the world i would be sooo sceptical.

i mean he is asking one of their customers to help them out with money ??? 200K ? lol when they asked u 4 the 200k the where prolly already dead.

lol@ a pokersite is asking a player at their site to lend them money. wow



bad en
I know it sounds really dumb from the outside, but you have to realize he wasn't just some owner and I wasn't just some player. We had developed a very close relationship over the previous two years and this wasn't the first time we helped each other out with money.

A few months before that at the WPT NAPC he was having trouble wiring money to pay for the five team members' entry fees. He asked me for $50k on the day of the tournament so I could cover everyone's fees including mine, I obliged, and the money was in my bank account a few days later.

Whenever I asked for money for something he didn't hesitate to send it. Be it for the live freerolls ($25k in prizes per season), clothing, poker chips, new table felt for the local card clubs. He was very generous.
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08-30-2009 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by _myst_

Whenever I asked for money for something he didn't hesitate to send it. Be it for the live freerolls ($25k in prizes per season), clothing, poker chips, new table felt for the local card clubs. He was very generous.
little did you know he was generous with moniez from player accounts
hope he goes to jail for a long time
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08-30-2009 , 12:21 PM
This is sick. Good post, Myst.
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08-30-2009 , 12:52 PM
What??? I saw a few posts that jumping the gun on Bruiser, that made me feel sick. For instance, I have no idea who the OP is and i believe every one should be allowed to has his own opinion.

Like OP said he has the very close relationship with Joe for years and now he came out to state that he is 100% innocent (that is possible) but IMO there are a lot of explaination need to be done at least. Plus it is just one side story.

Still like all other players who have lost money, i wish op get his money back and comes out this clean enventually to every one.
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08-30-2009 , 01:20 PM
Agreement‏
From: Jo Remme (jo@eurolinx.com)
Sent: May 4, 2008 1:24:05 PM
To: 'Marc K' (xxxxxxxx@hotmail.com)

Attachments: 1 attachment Anti-virus scan by Windows Live OneCare
MC Manage...doc (38.6 KB)

Hi Marc,



Per our discussions,



Due to the tremendous growth experienced by Eurolinx in the past two to three quarters we are experiencing a slightly strained cash flow situation. Per our discussions we prefer to deal with this through short term loans rather than selling equity.



Hence the proposal I presented you with when you were in Malta.



Eurolinx would like to borrow a sum of USD 200,000 to 300,000 for a period of up to three months. As compensation for this Eurolinx is willing to:



· Pay an above market rate for the loan of 15% for the three month period.

· Further, Eurolinx is willing to bear the cost of the development the Mystpoker pokersite, including the setting up of the legal structures and doing the management of such site per separate SLA.



Please se very rough draft of SLA for Mystpoker.



JO


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An Agreement entered into this _________day of ________ 2008

Between

Of the First Part,

Marc Karam (legal entity controlled by MC)

and

of the Second Part,

Eurolinx International NV having its registered office at ______________________________, duly represented hereon by ______________________ (hereinafter referred to as ‘Eurolinx’).
Together referred to as the Parties

Whereas MC is the owner of an online poker website;
Whereas Eurolinx provides the services of management and servicing of online poker websites;

Therefore, the parties have agreed as follows:


1. Eurolinx will provide:
a. Fraud assistance and consultation as regards poker;
b. Payment processing
c. First line support;
d. Promotions consultation and implementation;
e. Affiliate consultation and implementation;
f. Design consultancy services;
g. Newsletter scheduling and filtering

2. The parties agree and accept that in consideration for the provision of the Services, MC shall pay to Eurloinx a sum equivalent to 25% of MC’s net profit from the operation of its poker room. For the purposes of this clause profits shall mean gross gaming less payouts, less bonuses, less affiliate fees, less fraud (chargebacks etc.)____________________.



3. Eurolinx undertakes to ensure that its employees, consultants, representatives, officers and agents shall provide MC with all requested information and documentation in a timely manner and that in the event that such is not the case, MC shall not be responsible for any delays in the provision of the Services.

4. Eurolinx accepts and agrees that:

(a) it shall process all data relating to clients of MC in terms of any applicable law on Data Protection;

(b) it shall not utilize any data relating to clients of MC for it’s (Eurolinx’s) benefit or for the benefit of its related or associated companies;

(c) on termination of all agreements with MC in connection with the matters set out in this Agreement, it shall destroy all data held by it relating to clients of MC and this within such period as shall be established by MC, which period must be reasonable, in a written request sent by Eurolinx by registered mail;

(d) it shall indemnify MC for any losses incurred by MC if such losses arise directly from, and are a direct cause of, the provision of the Services.

5. Either party may terminate this agreement by giving the other party three (3) months advance notice in writing.

6. (a) The parties shall not, both during and after the termination of the applicability of this agreement, divulge or communicate to any person or persons, except to those persons who are authorised to know the same, any information which they may receive or obtain in relation to each other’s business, its suppliers, clients and/or potential clients and/or the databases and/or affairs (including but not limited to all technical and other information relating to operations, processes, procedures, dealings, transactions, software, training systems, methodology inventions, plans, intentions, product information, know-how, design, trade secrets, software, market opportunities, financial and other data and business affairs) (hereinafter referred to as “Confidential Information”). The parties shall at all times use their best endeavours to prevent the unauthorised publication or disclosure of any Confidential Information.

(b) Paragraph (a) above shall not apply to information which is in the public domain (otherwise than by a breach of confidentiality), or which any party is required to disclose by any court or competent authority in virtue of a provision of law.

(c) All Confidential Information written or machine-readable which shall be acquired, received or made by any party during the course of the applicability of this memorandum of understanding shall not be retained by such party without the written permission of the other party.

(d) No party is permitted to use and/or make any copy, abstract, summary or précis of the whole or any part of any document, database, file, data or information which is written or machine-readable belonging to or in the possession of the other party, except where expressly and specifically authorised to do so in the proper performance of the obligations this memorandum of understanding. On the termination of the applicability of this memorandum of understanding or at the request of one party at any time during the course of the applicability of this memorandum of understanding the other party is required to deliver to the requesting party all papers, documents, training manuals and in general all goods and/or materials belonging to the requesting party.

(e) The provisions of this Article, shall survive the termination of this Agreement for any reason whatsoever.

(f) Schedules A and B form an essential and integral part of the present Agreement.

10. (a) Any dispute, controversy or claim arising out of or relating to this contract, or the breach, termination or invalidity thereof, shall be settled by arbitration in accordance with the rules of Malta Arbitration Centre as in force at the date on which such dispute, controversy or claim arises.

(b) The number of arbitrators shall be one and shall be appointed by agreement between the parties. Should the parties not agree on the person who shall be appointed as arbitrator within fifteen (15) days from the date on which the dispute, controversy or claim arises, the arbitrator shall be appointed by the Malta Arbitration Centre.

(c) The place of arbitration shall be Malta.

(d) The language to be used in the arbitral proceedings shall be English.

(e) The applicable substantive law shall be the law of Malta.



_________________________
p/p Marc Karam


_________________________
p/p Eurolinx
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08-30-2009 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Scotty_G
Here here... I'll 2nd this statement!!

Marc is a STANDUP guy & ANYONE who thinks that he has had anything to do with this either directly or indirectly
well he had enough to do with it to write a long and detailed thread about it

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Thanks for your honesty & openness Marc...
suer he is being honest now, he has more to gain and less to lose from being honest now. HOWEVER before he wasn't being as honest.

Honesty would have been this; as he was referring people to his company that paid him, to disclose the fact that the owner was asking him for a loan and that the company was in finiancial problems
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08-30-2009 , 03:07 PM
"Due to the tremendous growth experienced by Eurolinx in the past two to three quarters we are experiencing a slightly strained cash flow situation. Per our discussions we prefer to deal with this through short term loans rather than selling equity".

This is a quote from the email of Jo Remme to Marc.

Anyone still doubts my words about Jo Remme telling me by telephone that they were trading with funds??

When did the stockmarket go down? When did the problems start for Eurolinx?

Simple answer i think!
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08-30-2009 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jokotokolino
"Due to the tremendous growth experienced by Eurolinx in the past two to three quarters we are experiencing a slightly strained cash flow situation. Per our discussions we prefer to deal with this through short term loans rather than selling equity".

This is a quote from the email of Jo Remme to Marc.

Anyone still doubts my words about Jo Remme telling me by telephone that they were trading with funds??

When did the stockmarket go down? When did the problems start for Eurolinx?

Simple answer i think!
Joko,

I hate to break it to you, but this is ******ed. The only trading of funds this guy was involved in was from our accounts to his own. He told you he was trading the money and you believe him? This is coming from a guy who was previously known to be involvemed in a pyramid scheme. I have no idea how this quote supports your theory. This is a business with extremely high profit margins and is experiencing tremendous growth, yet for some reason has a cash flow problem. Think about it.

It appears that they were simply bleeding the business dry and siphoning off money until its eventual bust. The longer this can go on the more money they can make. They offered a reload bonus what 2 weeks before they went busto?

Jo told me over the phone a couple of times that we "could do things together" He also even had the nerve to ask while they were experiencing major cash flow problems if I wanted to buy in to the company. He was/is a scammer and we got scammed. Bottom line.
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08-30-2009 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyle
Joko,

I hate to break it to you, but this is ******ed. The only trading of funds this guy was involved in was from our accounts to his own. He told you he was trading the money and you believe him? This is coming from a guy who was previously known to be involvemed in a pyramid scheme. I have no idea how this quote supports your theory. This is a business with extremely high profit margins and is experiencing tremendous growth, yet for some reason has a cash flow problem. Think about it.

It appears that they were simply bleeding the business dry and siphoning off money until its eventual bust. The longer this can go on the more money they can make. They offered a reload bonus what 2 weeks before they went busto?

Jo told me over the phone a couple of times that we "could do things together" He also even had the nerve to ask while they were experiencing major cash flow problems if I wanted to buy in to the company. He was/is a scammer and we got scammed. Bottom line.
The fact that he ASKED for a loan rather than simply allocating player funds to it implies he was trying to run a legitimate poker site before eventually scamming everybody. This is assuming Mark paid the loan from his EL balance.
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08-30-2009 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Adreno
The fact that he ASKED for a loan rather than simply allocating player funds to it implies he was trying to run a legitimate poker site before eventually scamming everybody. This is assuming Mark paid the loan from his EL balance.
IMO he used all the available balance, and AFTER that asked for a loan...

otherwise it doesnt make sense, cause we know now that it has never been a problem for him to use player funds
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08-30-2009 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by piedone
IMO he used all the available balance, and AFTER that asked for a loan...

otherwise it doesnt make sense, cause we know now that it has never been a problem for him to use player funds
I can't think of why Mark would pay the loan from anything other than EL account balance if he really had $1M in it. It just doesn't make sense. Surely it would read "SCAM" miles away if Jo Remme asked the loan by cash/wire while already holding $1M of his funds.
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08-30-2009 , 05:17 PM
Marc, good luck on getting this resolved.
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08-30-2009 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by theBruiser500
well he had enough to do with it to write a long and detailed thread about it



suer he is being honest now, he has more to gain and less to lose from being honest now. HOWEVER before he wasn't being as honest.

Honesty would have been this; as he was referring people to his company that paid him, to disclose the fact that the owner was asking him for a loan and that the company was in finiancial problems
Dude, If he thought there was anythign major wrong do you think he would have loaned money on a 15% interest rate?

He looked at it as "hey instead of me selling a partial stake of this company loan me 200k". After all like Mark said they've done 50kish type stuff before.

It's like going to a pawn shop with a 1k diamond and asking for $20 for it until you pay it back. I mean after all you could have easily got $250 for that diamond but you wanted to keep it and sell it for 2k when it's worth more.
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08-30-2009 , 05:28 PM
Lots of posters implying that EL should have been a hugely profitable site.

Just pulled up my results from the December 200% reload bonus.

Played 28K raked hands rake ~ $2800.

Deposit $1000 via ewallet cost to site 2% - $20.00

Bonus paid - $2000.

Paid to affliate 25% - $700.

Paid to MGS 17% - $476

Linxpoints value - $300.58

Cashout ewallet 2% - $74.12

Net profit for EL - ($770.70)

If I was recieving 30% rakeback EL would have lost another $840 for a total loss of $1610.70 on my $1000 deposit.

How does anyone believe these guys had the 1st clue about running a profitable business?
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08-30-2009 , 06:01 PM
If this was his plan all along, he picked a bad time to do it. Back in '07/'08 when there was still action up to $200/$400 NL, Eurolinx had at least 10 or more nosebleed players, guys like kris85, tunaeater, riise, terken89, etc. These guys all had $500k+ in their accounts. For the past year there have been no games over $50/$100 NL and there are barely any more high stakes players. I've talked to most of them and they all got their money out a while ago.
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08-30-2009 , 11:29 PM
I would probably do the same mistake you did by getting the ilusion of running my own poker site

GL for you and everybody who lost their money
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08-31-2009 , 12:39 AM
Thanks for this post, enlightening

Did the loan come out of your Eurolinx balance or did you give him separate cash?
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08-31-2009 , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by _myst_
If this was his plan all along, he picked a bad time to do it. Back in '07/'08 when there was still action up to $200/$400 NL, Eurolinx had at least 10 or more nosebleed players, guys like kris85, tunaeater, riise, terken89, etc. These guys all had $500k+ in their accounts. For the past year there have been no games over $50/$100 NL and there are barely any more high stakes players. I've talked to most of them and they all got their money out a while ago.
Im thinking it probably wasnt his plan all along to scam everyone.
Probably more like a backup plan.

And he obviously wants us to think that all the money is gone in some high-risk investement, but Im pretty sure most of it is stoved away somewhere, having been funneled through various channels.
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