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Old 09-24-2014, 06:19 PM   #101
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Re: my dealings with Max Heinzelmann

Pretty sure the site the cash game graph is from has only been tracking for about a year
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Old 09-24-2014, 06:30 PM   #102
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ugh, got me for 4k, owed since may pretty much the same story with excuses and delays



with people like mickmack, sean sullivan and other former well known mtt regs, anyone of them can chime in?
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Old 09-24-2014, 06:48 PM   #103
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Im gonna make a detailed post about how much i owe everyone and create a spreedsheat and be transparent about it and post it in here. Im going to start paying people back as soon as tomorrow and hopefully people can see that im going to fix this.
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Old 09-24-2014, 08:30 PM   #104
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ugh, got me for 4k, owed since may pretty much the same story with excuses and delays

what gave me confidence was him being in USA the whole time partying with people like mickmack, sean sullivan and other former well known mtt regs, anyone of them can chime in?
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I visited the US about two months ago and told the US Skype group, of which Max/Mick/Sean/others were involved in, and we made plans to meet up. I haven't been involved very much in the poker community since starting my last semester of uni in February, and quit poker entirely in July before my trip. Mick and Sean haven't been involved extensively at all for numerous years, though they dabble a bit on Bovada.

I can't speak for both of them, but I found out Max owed a good friend of mine a decent amount for a long time. Max had made strides to pay him back, albeit giving the same ring around and guilt trip most others seem to be having, and long after getting the initial loan. While I was semi uncomfortable hanging around with Max with this knowledge, I thought Max had paid him back in full, or was making an active effort to continue doing so. It appears this was a lie. I did not know the extent of his debt, though the friend advised me of rumblings from others. With my unease of the situation and me stepping away from poker I did not try and involve myself further, which in hindsight was an error on my part.
As Ben already said, we all got together this summer for one weekend (2 days) in Chicago to hang out with Ben, who was in town from Australia. The only person I knew he owed money to was to a mutual friend we were hanging out with at that time. I honestly didnít think much of it and never suspected him to not pay that friend back.

It's already been mentioned but I havenít been an active member of the poker community for quite some time. Iíve been out of the loop and donít know any more information than this.
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Old 09-24-2014, 08:40 PM   #105
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Im gonna make a detailed post about how much i owe everyone and create a spreedsheat and be transparent about it and post it in here. Im going to start paying people back as soon as tomorrow and hopefully people can see that im going to fix this.
"gonna" huh, that sounds convincing.

Blows my mind that people 'lend' (i.e. donate) money to degenerate leeches but I guess human nature is endlessly gullible.
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Old 09-24-2014, 09:23 PM   #106
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"gonna" huh, that sounds convincing.

Blows my mind that people 'lend' (i.e. donate) money to degenerate leeches but I guess human nature is endlessly gullible.
Quiet. You're going to provoke the time-tested "well if u guyz r just gonna be d*cks about it, then i'm certainly not going to keep posting just so i can have my good name besmirched" strategy.

In all seriousness, good to hear Max. Will be even more encouraging to see when you make said post and people start reporting getting paid back. Gl.
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Old 09-24-2014, 09:58 PM   #107
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Re: my dealings with Max Heinzelmann

I was hoping I could avoid this thread, but now I feel obligated to post something for a few reasons.

First of all, my name was brought into this situation here(Sean Sullivan):

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ugh, got me for 4k, owed since may pretty much the same story with excuses and delays

what gave me confidence was him being in USA the whole time partying with people like mickmack, sean sullivan and other former well known mtt regs, anyone of them can chime in?
Ben(bazooka87) pretty much told the story a few posts earlier. Max, Ben, Mick, and I (and a few others) all have a Skype group going back from when we all played, and it's been a thing ever since. The four of us decided to meet up when Ben was in Chicago. I really had no clue what was going on at the time, other than Max asking me to tell Pat Mahoney he was going to send him some money at some point, because Max didn't have access to Skype while he was traveling.

Secondly, Max also owes me about 2.2k. I won't go into detail really, other than that it was accumulated over the summer.

I wish I had more insight into the situation, but I know about as much as everyone else in this thread does, perhaps less. I haven't really been a part of the community in a few years, other than semi-regularly grinding some US sites as of this year.

I just hope this all gets worked out.
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Old 09-24-2014, 10:46 PM   #108
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Most of this is from 5 years ago when i lost like 200k playing cash lol. And also the reason i have my stats blocked because of taxes as every german not moving has done that, and even german ppl who moved have. Im pretty sure everyone can confirm this.
I think this site doesn't have hands pre-2012. If someone has access to this site, I believe you can also check when the money was lost (there is Time Line on the picture).

I also remember HotKarlMC sitting vs me HU late last year or early this year @ Stars, IIRC he was huge fish and dropped few buyins at $5/$10, will check in a couple of days when I get home.
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Old 09-25-2014, 05:20 AM   #109
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have played hu with him at 25/50 a couple times this year
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Old 09-25-2014, 08:42 AM   #110
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Loaned a guy 6.5k cos "with him being semi well known within the community and ive never heard anything bad about him"

When will the people learn?
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Old 09-25-2014, 09:36 AM   #111
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Not sure how these comments benefit the thread tbh, If you read the thread you would see this point has already been made numerous times. There are a ton of guys who are involved in this that are some of the smartest, longest standing most reputable members of our community and max has been on the scene for a long time and I know alot of mutual friends tht would have vouched for him at the time. This thread should stay focused on him and how he plans to make things right rather than derailing the thread going back to this point repeatedly imo
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Old 09-25-2014, 10:36 AM   #112
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Part of me wishes I knew what it's like to be a remorseless liar. Max claims cash game losses were from 5 years ago and then ppl come out the woodwork saying they've played him at high stakes heads up recently. This guy isn't going to pay out a dime.
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Old 09-25-2014, 10:42 AM   #113
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fwiw the -256k graph is from fev 2013 to now so 1 year and a half..no 5 years++ like hes claiming, just an other lie from him.
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Old 09-25-2014, 10:58 AM   #114
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Not a lie. Honestly believed they were from back then (at least part of it). Apologizing for that. Spreadsheet is coming later today
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Old 09-25-2014, 11:58 AM   #115
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must be nice to be that good at stealing other peoples money that you can just forget about losing a 1/4mil in the last year or so.
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Old 09-25-2014, 12:24 PM   #116
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Re: my dealings with Max Heinzelmann

Max will since you say you have the money aren't going to send out for awhile would you post a screenshot of a recent bank statement? Obviously block out the personal details but since its becoming more and more difficult to believe anything you say this would help a lot and give people more faith.
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Old 09-25-2014, 01:00 PM   #117
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How can you lose at 72bb/100 hands? That's the real crime here for an EPT runner-up
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Old 09-25-2014, 01:05 PM   #118
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Ever heard of tilt ?
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Old 09-25-2014, 02:47 PM   #119
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You guys are crazy if you think you are getting this money back in a timely fashion
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fwiw I don't think the government can tax on losses. So you lose $256k playing cash 5 years back and another amount over 6 figs playing hu sngs also in this time period, so this is over $350k at the very minimum lost all before your ept success. Did You have a very big bankroll prior to your ept success? How much did you win playing mtt's online before the ept stuff?? This would mean at the very minimum you had won $350k in online mtt's whilst having all of your own action and not cashing any out or using any of this money for anything other than spewing off in the highstakes. This could be entirely possible because I didn't play much back in these days so maybe you won some wcoop stuff I never knew about but I never heard of your online results being that great but then again I never really asked.
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"gonna" huh, that sounds convincing.

Blows my mind that people 'lend' (i.e. donate) money to degenerate leeches but I guess human nature is endlessly gullible.
I mean the kid said a few days. Maybe he doesn't deserve so much but give him at least the few days to begin doing what he said. Sometimes people want to truly change and not even letting his word of a few days appear to be believed does not help this change. If after a few days he hasnt produced anything, then flame on, but at least give him that.

No offense posters, but all of these posts are not helpful towards getting the debts paid off. In the interest of getting debts paid, we should not be discussing his tax details on a public forum. Those details should be reserved for private chats among Max and his debtees (if ever discussed).

I am not friends with Max nor does he owe me money. I simply say all of this in hopes that from here on out on this thread, the interests of the debts being paid be the #1 priority. Any posts which do not constructively contribute to that cause be held back.

If I were one of his debtees, I would try to round up a skype group or some sort of online private forum to discuss repayment. That said I am not, I wish the best of luck to all involved.
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Old 09-25-2014, 02:48 PM   #120
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Theres a good reason why stats are blocked


Out of interest what is this Graphic from - website tracking s/ware etc?
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Old 09-25-2014, 02:52 PM   #121
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^^probably russian ptr
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Old 09-25-2014, 05:07 PM   #122
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Wont name names but a friend that he has owed a small amount for a few months (~2k) has been messaging him every few days for the last few weeks for repayment and continually is givens excuses like he is out and will send later, he forgot and fell asleep, will send the next day, out for dinner will send when home etc etc promising it being taken care of within 24 hours, same excuses for weeks.

He is posting that he will gather a spreadsheet and start making payments in the next few days, Id guess this has 0% chance of actually happening
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Old 09-25-2014, 05:13 PM   #123
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ok, heres a list of people I owe money too. I am not sure if they wanna be named in the thread, so I will not do that. if anyone wants the names privatly (no trolls, just people who I owe money to) that is fine. People know how to contact me. I can send a list with names to Zima if he wishes or someone else who is credible.

Anonymous- 22k (someone mentioned that earlier ITT, but not sure if this person wants his name outed)
Anonymous- 11k
Anonymous- 9k
Anonymous - 8k
Anonymous - 7500
Manig - 7.5k
Anonymous - 6k
Anonymous - 5500
marek_heinz - 4k
Mahoney - 3k
Anonymous - 3k
Anonymous - 3k
Anonymous 2740
Sean S- 2200
Anonymous - 2000
Anonymous - 2000
Anonymous - 2000
Anonymous - 1500euros (all the other amounts are in USD so far)
Anonymous - 1420
Anonymous - 1100 euros
Anonymous - 1100
Anonymous - 700 euros
Anonymous - 200

As I said I didnt recheck with anyone, or if they want their names published or not. I asked a few people if they were fine w putting their name out there and they said yes, the others I have not gotten a hold off, but im sure if they feel the need they can step foward. This is very messy but I just wanted to get something out there and not have to wait 3 days for everyone to tell me if they want the name put out there or not.
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Old 09-25-2014, 05:15 PM   #124
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Condolences on the loss of your mother.

Hope you get this mess sorted out soon Max.
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Old 09-25-2014, 05:50 PM   #125
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The list is intransparent for the debtees. Instead of annonymous you should add the first 3 to 4 letters of their names so every debtee can recognize himself on the list.
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