Grundy, you are such a piece of ****. Are you teaming up with the harrington nerd?

Saying you want action at 10/20+ and nobody will play you is just a lie. Go play Galfond/Sauce/Isil/Ben, there are for sure more who are willing to play you. What you want to do is get action from WEAKER player who will not play you, rightly so.

It is so funny and I can't stop laughing about how guys like you are calling out every bumhunter but then out of sudden start to pussy out of matches where you quickly drop a ton or notice there is no edge.

Didn't you post here a while ago saying there is no point playing the durrrrr challenge for you because there is much more "less variance" money to be made. Why don't you go play 5/1k vs Isildur HU, he will gamble all day. Not rolled for it probably? Guess why I wouldn't play you at 10/20 but play all day at 1/2?

To you, and to all the serious grinders, its about freaking money. Poker to me is a job, maybe you have nothing else in life to find challenge in. I just play this game to be able to afford all the sports and travel I do. I would offer you a street fight for money but you wouldn't do it, just like I wouldn't play you for serious money. I mean why the **** would I? I get zero satisfaction even if I win.

Interesting Thread, kinda reminds me of Doping in Sports, which also obv. gives edge, not many get caught and some People say because of that it should be legalized.
Anyway, I dont play HS, prolly havent been cheated online before but almost certainly have been live.I havent thought alot about it but there are probably 3 ways to solve this.

1)no Huds(but idk if that makes that much sense w the rly small playerpool?)
2)Anonymous Tables..obvious.
3)Simply increase the Security of the site, so add sporadic captcha against Bots(at least Ive been told that yet there are really good ones you cant own automatically, so somebody has to sit there and enter it). and also add required webcam. Maybe it will be checked every 3minutes or you add an Option from 25/50 to only play if webcam is on and you can see each other.
Im sure there is a way thats not too hard to implement and not a too big pain in the ass as the customer either.

I agree that multiaccounting is a huge advantage for those who do it.

As long as that edge exists, is easily exploitable and there are no repercussions or solid solutions to the problem, people will continue to multiaccount. It is the best monetary decision for every good player. The optimal strategy.

In my eyes though, it is cheating. Multiaccounting is against the rules and provides an unfair advantage to the perpetrator. How else would you define cheating?

So to level the playing field sites should either allow name changes or strive to find a good solution to this problem.

Pokerstars took players opinions seriously in regards to matters such as Buttoning and Table Camping. Only by strict enforcement did they lessen that problem (No it's not completely solved). Same thing there. There was an edge to be had, and players took advantage of the situation. Hopefully they will do something about multiaccounting too.

So maybe we can also try to come up with solutions. I'll throw out a couple:

1) Allow Name Changes
2) Have Players use fingerprint scanners to have access to High Stakes Games. It is mostly a problem at higher stakes I would assume.

2) would not solve the problem that you could play on a friends account / sweat him while visiting though. But is there really any way to prevent this sort of thing?

I think its a huge problem at high stakes and am really annoyed by it. On the other hand its not really solvable, if the name listed with the account is viable there is not a lot of things pokersites can do to PROVE its a multi-account. They certainly will have a hard time confiscating the money because then they will have to prove it beyond doubt to their licence holders.

The things i hear here about figer prints, webcams and stuff like that will be terrible for the games. In theory it sounds nice for the grinders, but do you really think a russion billionair, mobster, black money guy or venezualan oil magnat will really do those kind of things?

What we at least should do as a poker community is clearly vocalise that multi-accounting is terrible and really not accepted. Statements like Durrrr's are therefore really bad, coming from someone like him.

Will i don't agree with your "multi-accounting is not that bad" sentiment, you do have a fair point on the last line. A common multiaccount is the chinese (macau) player that wants to play online poker. As poker is kind of illegal in China and people with that kind of money are usually from the communist party, are at least want to remain friendly with them; they certainly don't want a gambling account linked to their name. Then its the question if you really want to take such a harsh stance on it.

Because durrrr's original quote inferred that multiaccounting is not as bad as many of the scummy things that go on in poker, not that multiaccounting is necessarily morally ok, which is one reason OP is misleading

Yeah ok so anonymous tables would solve quite a bit of the issues discussed here. But this does take the fun away from reading a villain's game over a relatively large sample.

So what about forcing a screen name change on a regular basis, say once a month? This would allow people to continue working at understanding's someone's game over a certain sample size, and still considerably reduce the edge obtained from MAing.
Also, people like to track results over much longer periods of time, see who's the year's big winner etc... Well, couldn't the website release all the aliases correspondences say after each month? So you sign in with a permanent screenname, but you play with a monthly anonymous one.

Lastly, re. collusion, I guess that's a job for the site's security departement. If they know who is behind each monthly screenname, they can track who's playing together more frequently than normal...

would turn in to chat roulette, need to avoid all the tables where players wank themselves off when they get AA haha

Yes so why does galfond get such a pass for putting both dangs as lead instructers on his runitonce site when he clearly knew they are multi accounting?
Di hasn't played on his stars or ftp accounts in years, yet he is lead pro on a training site. Also, stinger in a video is like glad i can finally call barcode hac since everyone knows now.

yo ben grundy, im waiting for you all day you lil bitch. Any stake you want including 5001k

MBK is a funny guy complaining about not getting action HU on Pokerstars, but never seating on his own account on the biggest pokersite in the world, complaining recently about seat scribts in 6max games on the same site but 'havent' played the Pokerstars 6m games for a year. And defending reasons for multiaccounting without outing the info he have. Don't think people believe all your complaining about the games while 'not' trying to get action on a daily basis.

I generally think you are on point, but this is absolutely awful.

Who determines whether someone is fishy enough to have a second account? If someone is a fish at 500/1000 then they can MA there, but aren't allowed to drop down to 10/20 where they would win? Totally a ridiculous argument.

The ridiculous thing is you saying that someone can be a "fish" at 500/1k but be able to beat 2knl.

Hm, you mean that as in everyone aside from guys you have a $1,5m bet against (which by some strange coincidence you seem to be losing by now) and seem to avoid at all cost, right?

thread's improving

I'm reposting this:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=653

here since it has a bit of application to this thread as well.

I don't see why not if a fingerprint scanner was compulsory for $10/$20+ or something. Stars can sell cheapy fingerprint scanners in the Pokerstars store - maybe you earn one when you hit supernova or something. Its a nice bit of security for your account too. I don't see why this wouldn't be accepted.

I would prefer anonymous tables to this BS situation where I'm playing an army of multi-accounters every day.

Well there´s your high stakes player hypocrisy in a nut shell.

Stupid gambling whale with multiple accounts (lol Guy/Eli/China man etc.): Who gives a ****?

Somewhat reasonable winning player with multiple accounts (lol Jared): OMFG, what a lying scumbag/thief/whatever?

Do you really expect to be taken seriously with that crap?

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Harrington did read the thread recently.

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Question to durrr: In a video you alluded to playing online post black friday.

In the following interview you did not provide a definitive answer when asked. One may read between the lines into what you said.

Source: http://www.pokerplayer.co.uk/news/fe..._did_next.html

So which poker site were you playing on and which account? I do not believe your Pokerstars account has been online since your signing.

Yes Durrrr, you scumbag, answer the mighty Masq at once!

He who has been trying to beat 10PLO for years and years, He whose daily achievements dwarf all of yours and whose thousands of hours spent railing/voyeuring successful people's lives give him the divine right to question your every move.

A lot of players started with shared accounts/bankrolls,This has been going on since the inception of poker online and in the early days was not used to "cheat" or gain an advantage just to share risk/improve although i agree it has morphed due to the lack of fish/action at some stakes at present.

Some poker networks allow you to create multiple accounts across skins and this is in line with TOC,What do we propose then?

It is now a part of the game and has been for sometime most MSNL/HSNL players understand this agree or not.

Online morals deteriorated a long time ago when it comes to gaining an edge and large amounts of $$$$.

So where does sweating or using software, buying hands,sharing databases rank on this moral scale for those brandishing the pitch forks.

Lol.... @ 12:19