Sure getting games with bad players is predatory, but what are the most egregious/over-the-line examples where there's just zero regard and zero morality? I heard this story about how Garrett A suckered a lawyer going through personal issues, boozed him up and pressured him into playing heads-up to send him home broke and homeless. Don't know if true. If true, that's a nastiness that I can't stomach, but what are some other predatory examples that are just way over the line like Garret? Where people just have zero regard for others?

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I remember being 20 (2014) at a home game where I was the only one who had played more than 10k hands (I'm not saying I was good, I played ABC and that was more than enough). They were all pretty chill.
Nights would play out like this: We'd start at 7/8PM until 6AM and eventually people would leave; normally when we were 3 we'd call it a night. One day though, the third guy left and I was about to do the same when the organizer ,a legit cool dude with a gambling addiction, asked me if I wanted to play HU. He'd lost 1k and I'd won around the same amount in that week. I mulled it over and finally said no. He was as bad as you can imagine but he was kind of a friend and I would've felt bad.

PD: I'd won a tourney on PS plus the HG; a sum in the vicinity of 1.5K, I was by no means a crusher and in that time 1.5k was a lot, he wanted to play HU with 1k stacks 2/5 (normally we'd play 1/1 100$ buy in).

Most predatory is relative.

For me, in a $1/$3 game I saw a guy raise to $12. Another player calls, but puts out $13 (which was the standard raise at the table). Player who bet $12 started to point that the other caller put put too much. He stopped and pulled his hand down.

So I spoke up to the dealer and said the other player put in an extra $1. The dealer was new and had already pulled in the chips. He looked at me like I was an alien. The inital raiser who clearly saw his opponent put in an extra dollar started grouching at me. He told me to mind my own business. I wasn't in the hand, etc. The dealer couldn't figure it out. Eventually I just gave up an said nevermind.

To me it wasn't worth arguing over a $1 if it wasn't going to be easy. So I stopped.

******* wins the pot and looks at me and berates me for getting in his business. Be actually crosses a couple lines in his verbal beat down.

I let him berate me for a long time. Then when he wound down I finally spoke up and said everyone has their price. Everyone on this earth has a number that they would look the other way and play dumb. Everyone. Some people would be willing to wrongly aquire millions if they know they could get away with it. Others would require more. Some people would require less. Some would steal a few hundred if they could.

I looked him in the eye and said that he would knowingly steal $1 from someone if he could. I said I couldn't imagine being so pathetic that I would knowingly steal $1 from another person (first red line I stepped over calling someone pathetic). Then I made a comment about how desperate a person must be to knowingly steal $1 from another (2nd red line I jumped over).

He went silent and hemmed and hawed a bit. So I jumped all over him and openly asked him if he would give me a blow job for $1? I asked if $1 was so important that he would blow another man for it.

The dealer immediately called the floor and I was rightly given a stearn warning. In fact, the floor wanted to (rightfully) kick me out I told him that I said my peace and would not speak of it again. Mercifully he let me continue to play with a warning. If I even stepped slightly out of line I was gone.

I was good after that, and I wish I had a feel good story about stacking the *******, but I do not. Nothing happened and he left profitable.

My question is, how much if an asshile does a person have to be to knowingly take $1 from another person? How is that not predatory?

The guy putting in $13 faulted. After the dealer pulled in the chips it was was all too late. The $13 guy had a chance to win it back, cutting his losses

Need to speak out faster, you know, what if he had put in $11? Start counting the pot and guess...dealer needs to do the job.

You faced the evil of man though. White knighting escalating out of control. Not sure I would have spoken up though, making the $13 guy look like a moron. For one dollar. Thinking about him, not the money. I might have though. But let one thing or another slip is often the best, if you choose well and morally...

As do many women when they dress sexily when going out

Not an accurate comparison.

how was the blowjob?

Right answer.

Yeah let's come down hard on the guy trying to help his fellow man and instead do what we can to make it easier for people to exploit each other, that's totally the right attitude, damned virtue signallers eh

Unfortunately I knew I had crossed enough lines that I knew that I couldn't push it any further, otherwise you would have gotten a proper blow job review.

The poker room is what it is. Hell, whatever is possible. Don't like people talking about like exploiting is a good thing in normal poker. But that is the standard. I'm playing low enough for it not mattering much in real world money. Guess we must have some playful fighting. A good football team exploits the weakness of the less good one. But there's hell of a lot more to it.

I assume it's related to maritime law, but in a bunch of sci-fi stuff, whether it's The Expanse, or For All Mankind, the law is that when someone is in distress, you are compelled to try to help. That $1 is a very small amount does not negate that rule. Just because you pay attention and have never once in your life erred in a game of poker such that you put in too much doesn't mean you don't have a duty to point out when there has been a mistake made. The rules are very clear in delineating at which point we do not interfere: when someone doesn't table their cards. If someone tables their cards and you see that a mistake has been made that is costing the wrong person the pot, whether it's for $1 or $100,000, you are duty bound to point it out. The same applies for someone putting too much or too little in the pot by mistake. You don't even do it because you expect someone to do the same for you, but you do expect that; you do it because it's the right thing to do, and it costs you nothing, other than perhaps a dodgy glance from a POS that's actively trying to steal.

This is all vastly different from trying to exploit someone by knowing better than them how to bet and call and play poker. That there are some dodgy ethical lines as to HUDs & databases and RTA does not in the slightest effect the minimum ethical line you should be treading in live poker.

SMH that I have to explain absolute basic morality lessons to adults.

Yes, you are right. Basis of moral, slipping slope waiting.

Poker is supposed to be predatory, if you like money and play to make more of it. I would change the title to unethical instead of predatory, then we can discuss it

I'm more of a carnivore. I eat here and there, not really hurting anybody. But getting enough of energy. Trying to beat the system, not especially its parts, like a predator does. Missing out on the big meals that way, but so be it. Don't have the teeth anyway.

Saying “Just a cold deck, I would have played it the same way” after you stack a fish.

I was playing regularly after work with a friend who was a gambling degen alcoholic, who barely knew the hand rankings (like thinking 4 of a kind lost to full house). We would drink heavily and play heads up, and he would always get blackout drunk and forget what happened.

The first 2 sessions he gets very lucky and beats me for like 10 buyins. I'm tracking the results, and proceed to win the next 14 consecutive sessions for a large profit. I'm assuming he's aware how bad he's losing, but at one point he's trash talking me about how he's so much better than me, and I tell him he has memory problems and I'm actually up hugely against him, having won the last 14 in a row. He is baffled and says it's impossible, says he won most of the sessions, and insists I stop telling him he's losing. He proceeds to lose 32 consecutive sessions (he won first 2, lost next 32), settling in cash each time. I eventually stopped playing him because it was like taking candy from a baby, and he would never remember what happened. Felt bad about it since he was a friend. Years later he mentions in passing that he was considering becoming a poker pro because he was so good...

Insuring the little equity of a fish all in, and overcharging. I am the one who went all in vs him. Telling him after he loses that he made the smart choice, as taking the insurance decreased his variance.

"See you next wednesday!"

I'll add that I've never seen anyone worse at poker in whole my life. Virtually anyone would have been better at poker

This isn't correct. If the pot is wrong, it is perfectly within the rules of poker to count it and correct it until the pot is pushed to the winner and the next hand started. If a player insisted, the casino should go to the cameras to determine how it should be corrected. As long as the request is made before the start of the next hand, the player who won the pot may be asked to correct it several minutes later once the tape is reviewed.

Now obviously it would be ridiculous to do this over $1. In this case the dealer should certainly just count the pot and make it right.

But the idea that if an incorrect bet is lost forever once it is pulled into the pot is just wrong.

50BB/hour? You need quite a win rate for not having variance kick in now and then.

I was allowed to reload to match his stack, and he would always donk off his stack eventually. He would call all ins with like jack high on the river for 1000bb because he "put me on a busted straight draw" or something, and I was bluffing and still would win.

He was so drunk that he didn't care what the stack sizes were so would treat 100bb and 1000bb the same. So it was like 1000bb/100 or something, because you just couldn't lose