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Old 11-01-2013, 11:13 PM   #1251
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Just because some 15 year olds who rail high stakes tables might recognize your name, doesn't mean you have some clout whatsoever.
This part is hilarious too but it's important to mention that he was apparently never on the high stakes tables from having any poker skill whatsoever and grinding his way up through the stakes, he admitted himself he just luckboxed some tourneys and basically had a slow death as reality set in in the years after. Before going completely bust he apparently went all in on a restaurant upon realizing he couldn't hack it in poker anymore which I guess deserves some merit, if it weren't for being most likely a shady scammer as shown in this thread.

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My word is my word and everything that has transpired here I think represents that. Being called shady by people that I've never met as opposed to being called stand up by the people I know
You're being called shady by people who are not kissing your ass hoping to collect on debts from you and able to view it in a more objective manner. It's clear that nobody ITT thinks you seem at all trustworthy or standup except for a few people who are pretty naive. Chris did say you know how to work your mouth piece on the phone. You mentioned having a long list of people waiting to come in here and vouche for you but the only people who came in to post were other debts you owe out and some other nobody friends of yours cheerleading with bad logic and emotionally charged arguments.

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but your accusations need to stop you piece of garbage
This is the part I find fascinating. Like, what world of delusion are these kinds of people living in? JY attempting to talk down to Kilowatt as though Kilowatt is some fanboy random without even realizing Kilowatt was actually a high stakes grinder and been around way long before JY luckboxed a few tourneys that financed his journey back to busto in the high stakes world. Kilowatt at least has done something noteworthy in the poker world with regards to the UB scandal. Who the F is JY? If you asked the majority of notable names or high stakes online players who they consider to have a better reputation and be more relevant very few, if any, would say JY, most have no idea who he even is. I'd say 99% of people in NVG didn't even know who he was but have learned a lot about him now from this thread and it's not pretty.

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I've proven everything that's been asked- your not getting a ****ing name of anyone get over it
LOL, does anyone else wonder while reading these posts if someone like JY is just too stupid to follow all of the conversation and logic and therefore really believes he's proved a solid case, or that he's reading it and understanding it and is just a bad liar. Either way, so lol.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:13 PM   #1252
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:14 PM   #1253
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It takes 10 minutes to go to a boa location and deposit cash on someone else's account. It might be slightly inconvenient but Assani has waited 18+ months so JY should be going above and beyond to get him his payments.
I totally agree - Friday night, Sunday morning at 3 am - it's all the same at this point, this should be an IMMEDIATE TOP PRIORITY for Jason.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:16 PM   #1254
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Exactly... and why are you still here?
Just 1 man's opinion but I like andrewga's posts.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:18 PM   #1255
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I am pretty confident Assani will be payed by Tues. 12am EST
paid, not payed

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Old 11-01-2013, 11:20 PM   #1256
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Lesson of thread- do not threaten MM with blackmail as he has no issue beating you to the punch as evidenced by this and the other thread about his friend.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:23 PM   #1257
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This part is hilarious too but it's important to mention that he was apparently never on the high stakes tables from having any poker skill whatsoever and grinding his way up through the stakes, he admitted himself he just luckboxed some tourneys and basically had a slow death as reality set in in the years after. Before going completely bust he apparently went all in on a restaurant upon realizing he couldn't hack it in poker anymore which I guess deserves some merit, if it weren't for being most likely a shady scammer as shown in this thread.


You're being called shady by people who are not kissing your ass hoping to collect on debts from you and able to view it in a more objective manner. It's clear that nobody ITT thinks you seem at all trustworthy or standup except for a few people who are pretty naive. Chris did say you know how to work your mouth piece on the phone. You mentioned having a long list of people waiting to come in here and vouche for you but the only people who came in to post were other debts you owe out and some other nobody friends of yours cheerleading with bad logic and emotionally charged arguments.


This is the part I find fascinating. Like, what world of delusion are these kinds of people living in? JY attempting to talk down to Kilowatt as though Kilowatt is some fanboy random without even realizing Kilowatt was actually a high stakes grinder and been around way long before JY luckboxed a few tourneys that financed his journey back to busto in the high stakes world. Kilowatt at least has done something noteworthy in the poker world with regards to the UB scandal. Who the F is JY? If you asked the majority of notable names or high stakes online players who they consider to have a better reputation and be more relevant very few, if any, would say JY, most have no idea who he even is. I'd say 99% of people in NVG didn't even know who he was but have learned a lot about him now from this thread and it's not pretty.


LOL, does anyone else wonder while reading these posts if someone like JY is just too stupid to follow all of the conversation and logic and therefore really believes he's proved a solid case, or that he's reading it and understanding it and is just a bad liar. Either way, so lol.
Tell us how you really feel sir

No seriously, I think this whole thread was summed up in this 1 post.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:24 PM   #1258
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Just 1 man's opinion but I like andrewga's posts.
I understand your appreciation of the persons posts. My research has afforded me a different opinion.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:26 PM   #1259
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Lesson of thread- do not threaten MM with blackmail as he has no issue beating you to the punch as evidenced by this and the other thread about his friend.
For the record, I am aware of said thread.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:29 PM   #1260
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For the record, I am aware of said thread.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:31 PM   #1261
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:32 PM   #1262
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Tard level speculation? At this point i am 99.9% sure there was no bookie. Asking that question over and over again does not make it tard level speculation.
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Jason, by his own admission, is just an investor. He doesn't outright own it.

We don't know how much he owns, but I bet it's a small percentage, unless he inherited it or something.

You can own less than 1% and still legally call yourself an "owner".

He said something about working 110 hours per week, but I bet if you called there at a different random time all seven days this upcoming week, and asked for him, he wouldn't be there.

I have no information to back this up, but it's just a vibe I'm getting.
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Weird.

Something isn't adding up here.

It is EXPENSIVE to open up a restaurant -- both buying an existing one and starting up your own from scratch.

The biggest problem is what's known as "build out costs" -- construction of the kitchen and the restaurant itself. That often runs over $250k. There are plenty of other large costs associated with opening a new restaurant.

This article covers it pretty well:

http://www.inc.com/articles/201111/b...estaurant.html


Even if you try to avoid these costs by buying a restaurant from an existing owner, that previous owner is very aware of what he spent to develop the place, and will never let it go for cheap.

So Jason had hundreds of thousands of dollars to spend on this restaurant in June, 2012, but couldn't quickly pay Assani a measly $2k prior to that?

There are many ways that this could have actually come to pass.

He might have inherited the restaurant, but just about no cash to go with it.

The restaurant might be silently owned by his parents or whatever, and he is the face of it.


He might have gotten a loan for most of it, with his parents co-signing (zero chance he would qualify on his own), but in reality has little-to-no equity at the moment.

All I know is that it's unlikely he sunk hundreds of thousands of dollars into this thing, and had virtually zero for anything else in his life, all while dodging a guy he owed $2k for months.

I'm not going to hijack this thread any further trying to figure this one out, but as usual in this situation, nothing is probably as it seems on the surface.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:35 PM   #1263
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I understand your appreciation of the persons posts. My research has afforded me a different opinion.
It sucks you don't enjoy my posts since forty six & 2 is my second favorite song from my favorite band. Stinkfist being my favorite. We could have mixed our sauces and made a good goulash together.
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Oh god... good night.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:36 PM   #1265
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There are a lot of ways to determine this, by asking further questions (privately) of Jason and checking them against various records that exist.

I don't think we'll get that far, because there was no bookie. Jason has avoided these questions for 55 pages, and he will continue to avoid them.

The fact that he won't even explain WHY he's avoiding them (such as, "I can't reveal his identity because I'm scared of him") means that he knows he's lying, and wants to push that subject away from the bookie's identity.

That's what liars do. They indignantly make all sorts of noise that means nothing (in this case, Jason repeatedly bragging about how many "good" transactions he's done in the past), yet won't answer any direct questions about the most important issues.
are you serious about this??? such a limited rational thinking if you ask me bro
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:41 PM   #1266
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Lol, listen I understand times are tight so I'll tell ya what

Wait until you are able to scrounge up a dollar, then head to McDonalds and purchase anything you want on the dollar menu. Tell me it how it tasted and we will call it even.

If you want to be nice though and mail me a piece of your dollar burger to Borgata, I definitely wouldn't mind. I get pretty hungry sitting at the poker tables all day.

Thanks for the quick response Sniper - you are a REAL FREAKIN DUDE!!!

Yes, I have to admit I was wrong. I free rolled you on the way to WU because I actually had a McDonalds coupon and $2 that I found under my car seats. I bought a happy meal with the money. It was a McDouble with cheese and fries and it was so ****ing tasty. It also came with a Buzz LiteYear collectible toy. Would you consider taking the Buzz LiteYear as payment for the outstanding debt? The arbitrators (Durrrr Jungleman) suggested that I could donate Buzz to the Toys for Tots Charity in your name to square up the debt. Great! I am going to take a picture of Buzz and post him on 2+2, Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, YouTube, AOL so everyone will know we are best buds. Crap, I have to go. My wife is pulling up to the McDonalds drive through and the kids might see me. I have been dodging them about the lawn mowing money. Peace Out!!! Talk to you in 18 months if 2+2 goes down. NVG Rules!!!


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Old 11-01-2013, 11:42 PM   #1267
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Oh god... good night.

I doubt you'd be missed by anybody if you didn't post in this thread again.


Here's hoping you've got a very busy weekend to occupy your time.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:47 PM   #1268
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Yes, I have to admit I was wrong. I free rolled you on the way to WU because I actually had a McDonalds coupon and $2 that I found under my car seats. I bought a happy meal with the money. It was a McDouble with cheese and fries and it was so ****ing tasty. It also came with a Buzz LiteYear collectible toy. Would you consider taking the Buzz LiteYear as payment for the outstanding debt? The arbitrators suggested that I could donate Buzz to the Toys for Tots Charity in your name to square up the debt. Great! I am going to take a picture of Buzz and post him on 2+2, Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, YouTube, AOL so everyone will know we are best buds. Crap, I have to go. My wife is pulling up to the McDonalds drive through and the kids might see me. I have been dodging them about the lawn mowing money. Peace Out!!! Talk to you in 18 months if 2+2 goes down. NVG Rules!!!


DEBT CLEARED!!!!

See what happens when we both agree on an amicable solution????

Um, on a different note - do you know any bookies that could give me a 50k credit line??? I'm expecting some money real soon so I'm good for it. Thx Snip
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I doubt you'd be missed by anybody if you didn't post in this thread again.


Here's hoping you've got a very busy weekend to occupy your time.
Its not about us Dixie.

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Old 11-01-2013, 11:53 PM   #1270
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PSU Mike you really have to stop posting. Everyone feels Assani should get paid. You typing in caps isnt going to do anything.

Having CM pay Assani is the same thing as having CM pay Jason. Jason would in turn pay Assani. Also the thought process that Assani's story saved CM ~15k therefor he should pay the 2200 to him is not logical.
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I do work tomorrow .

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Every time I read this thread lately:

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Old 11-02-2013, 12:47 AM   #1273
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Wow, I just spent 2 days reading this thread. Probably will be the only internet thread I remember for the rest of my life! Here are my thoughts. For the record I have never played any poker in my life outside of college games 30 years ago. I do not know any of you guys here at all except for one individual that asked me to read this thread 2 days ago. But, I have gambled on sports for 35 years so have seen/heard every degen story and witnessed freeroll attempts. I actually might have been freerolled a few years ago and this is how I handled my situation to give you some perspective on what I felt was right for me.

I was introduced to a bookie by an acquaintance who is not a gambler. The acquaintance knew I gambled on sports. I currently have 2 very big solid outs that receive all of my action. One of my guys has paid me close to $75,000 just in past year with never an issue; the other has paid me close to $40,000 so I was definitely not looking for a 3rd out, but I accepted this account primarily because of the relationship I have with the referral source. 6 months later I lose $3200 to the new guy. I learn that in the meantime from my acquaintance that his neighbor had won $50,000 on the LSU/Bama BCS game. Basically the neighbor bet $2000 on every Bama prop bet imaginable and crushed this guy. Bookie paid $22000 and told the neighbor he couldn't pay the rest. Well, I send him my $ monday morning before he even asked for it without a second thought because my debt is my debt. I do not mention to him that I know he is slowpaying the neighbor. Sort've want to win it back just out of principal.

Fast forward 1 year. I lose $4100 more. Feel annoyed now because I have won steadily from my other guys, but channel the losers to this guy. He texts me asking if I can meet him at end of week. In turn I call my acquaintance to see if his neighbor has been paid the $22,000 that has been owed for 1 1/2 years. Zip nothing.

So, at this point I could tell the bookie that I know he hasn't paid a $22,000 debt and until he does I won't pay him. But I feel this is the wrong thing for me to do. I made the bets. And I now had knowledge that he was not reliable when I made the bets. So, my fault. But I have to pay.

But, the bookie did not know that I knew he did not pay my acquaintance's neighbor.

So, I drove an hour to the acquaintance's office I handed him $4100. I replied to the bookie's text that I would be out of town at the end of this week but I was having lunch at the time with the referral source and I put the money in his hands to give to him. So, as it turns out the bookie allowed my friend to give it to his neighbor so the neighbor's balance is now $18000. If I wanted to be a degenerate, I could have used the knowledge of the neighbor's situation to get a free roll. I could have got into a pissing contest with the bookie about his integrity. I kept my mouth shut. I paid my debt, but in a way that I knew it would be likely that the bookie would have to turn over the money to the owed party. In the meantime I kept my honor. I will not play with this guy again.

In the sports gambling world there are a lot of guys that bet/accept bets first and come up with the stories second. yes, these are degenerate gamblers that will rationalize their behavior to satisfy their gambling needs.

MM made bets. I believe the right move is to pay. MM may feel differently.
To me, the bottom line is we must fully research a book BEFORE we make the decision to bet. I bet with an acquaintance's bookie, but I did not know for myself if he was solvent. I took the referral from my acquaintance at face value. My fault. I have to pay. My main guy has been booking for people I know for 35 years. His track record is impeccable. I did not need to accept this 3rd account. Once I did, I accepted the risk of being rolled.

MM accepted the risk when he accepted the relationship. It sucks big time, but the right move is to hold your head high and pay; and never play with Jason again.

Jason, you are a classic case of the guy that found himself in the situation of robbing Peter to pay Paul. You might not formulate ill intent. You might be a nice guy, but the bottom line is you can not have a sheet with players and just "hope" that the credits outweigh the debits. It does not work that way all of the time. Winners need to be paid and losers do not always pay on time. Insolvency and bookmaking are not a happily married couple. Good luck with your restaurant. Work hard. Do not place assets at risk you can not afford to lose. Especially your family and your business. They are your greatest assets outside of your health.

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Old 11-02-2013, 12:49 AM   #1274
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These conflicts stay with you your whole life if you are wrong or if you are right. People will always be on either side but if you end up doing something significant non-poker related this will always be a blemish. So if your upside in life isnt very much keep up this silly arguing. Only thing I do not get is if JY doesnt go out and works 110 hours a week why does he need a payment plan to pay off 2000.
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It takes 10 minutes to go to a boa location and deposit cash on someone else's account. It might be slightly inconvenient but Assani has waited 18+ months so JY should be going above and beyond to get him his payments.
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