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Old 11-01-2013, 03:35 PM   #1101
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Re: moneymaker vs jason young (resolved - see post 497 & 503...and then not - see post 656)

How different would everybody's opinions be if JY snap payed Assani when he came into this thread?
And Assani posts something like "I talked to JY, he payed me, was very apologetic. I honestly just think it was a big miss communication. Glad its resolved."
Probably would've been a good move by JY.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:36 PM   #1102
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How different would everybody's opinions be if JY snap payed Assani when he came into this thread?
And Assani posts something like "I talked to JY, he payed me, was very apologetic. I honestly just think it was a big miss communication. Glad its resolved."
Probably would've been a good move by JY.
Probably because he doesn't even have $2000 right now, and would have to scramble to come up with that.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:37 PM   #1103
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You brought out your $2022 debt for two reasons:


So you ran pretty much the optimal play regarding getting paid.
I disagree with that, there was already an agreement, that MM pays JY and if he did not jump in here and tell his side, the chances getting paid here would be probably bigger.

Assani I hope you get your money from JY!

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Old 11-01-2013, 03:39 PM   #1104
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1. I would request that I be paid my $2022 first.
Wait! What???

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Also fwiw I reached out to assani days ago asking for multiple ways to send him a payment and he has still not given me any. Again I don't think it's cool mr all high and mighty doesn't take any responsibility. 18 months and I still have no place to send $ so if he doesn't give me somewhere to send how can I do that? Certain things seem to be big issues but when I literally tell him to get me somewhere to send $ and he doesn't give me one should just show his lax nature and prove my point again that it was both of our faults how that slipped through the cracks



okay- post #1094. So no BOA. More to come...............

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Old 11-01-2013, 03:39 PM   #1105
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I disagree with that, there was already an agreement, that MM pays JY and if he did not jump in here and tell his side, the chances getting paid here would be probably bigger.

Assani I hope you get your money from JY!

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How would his chances be bigger? He has been stalled for 18 months.

This was honestly his best shot -- come out during a much bigger issue, say "Yeah, Jason owes me $2k", and hope it's worth $2k to Jason to quickly pay that in order to buy some credibility back.

I'd have done the same thing in Assani's shoes.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:41 PM   #1106
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I've proven everything that's been asked- your not getting a ****ing name of anyone get over it
His name is fairly irrelevant. I was just curious around what time in 2012 he left you out to dry?
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:43 PM   #1107
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Anyone willing to bet on Assani getting paid within 10 days? Willing to escrow.

I take the over.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:44 PM   #1108
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:46 PM   #1109
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How would his chances be bigger? He has been stalled for 18 months.


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JY would be 15 - 25 k richer and MM was convinced paying first because JY did never wrong before. After reading the thread Assani would be in a very strong position with his info to reach out to JY again with saying he wants his 2 k first or going puplic with it.

Just saying,...
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:47 PM   #1110
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from what I know Kilowat is sortof a legend and one of the keyfigures in bringing down the superusers in the UB scandal. dont think hes a fanboy
oh boy jason mr young u better be scared brah lmfao kilowat is on to u
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:48 PM   #1111
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Anyone willing to bet on Assani getting paid within 10 days? Willing to escrow.

I take the over.
Paid by JY or getting paid period.
If paid by JY I'll take over 14 days. I'll escrow. Willing to bet up to $100.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:48 PM   #1112
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Anyone willing to bet on Assani getting paid within 10 days? Willing to escrow.

I take the over.
i'd happily take the under
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:48 PM   #1113
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Chris would be a fool to public admit a gambling problem and lose his primary source of income. Anyone think poker stars can keep him if he announces to the world officially he is a compulsive gambler? I think they would have to drop him.
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I agree his narrative thus far has been, I was a boring accountant until I won playing online poker a satelite, went to the WSOP and beat all the pros to become the champion... And lived happily ever after.


If he admitted he was an addict, it would go from "Moneymaker the accountant that beat Vegas and the pros" to "Christopher former great accountant and how poker ruined his life"
Fair points.

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I started a rather large business in June of
2012- I'm puzzled that nobody picked up on this yet either. The place has been named itt look at it look at the area I'm in. Ask people that have been there

Do you want me to just tell you how much I put into it?
Then what?
My word is my word and everything that has transpired here I think represents that. Being called shady by people that I've never met as opposed to being called stand up by the people I know
[ ] started a large business
[x] invested a large sum of money

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Thanks. So just to review the timeline between April and October:

April 2012: CM loses $15k and doesn't make good.

June 2012: You put most/all of your liquid funds into your restaurant.

June-October 2012: You continue booking action as an agent for your boss and in or around October, 3 clients including Sheets book big wins and then your boss leaves you holding the bag.

I'm just trying to get the facts 100% right, sorry if any of this is repetitive.
I love how he invests $ and then starts booking again knowing he has no $. Such an immature degenerate.

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Once again- I was never booking these bets- I had enough cred if I wanted action I could have bet whatever I wanted with no less than a dozen guys. I had previously vouched for someone that didn't make good on things...I'm a man and my word means something so instead of telling them they are out of luck I said I'd cover it
Yes, you were booking them. Either by yourself, or by vouching for the mystery man. It's 6 of 1 brother.

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Yet you will provide ZERO proof to anyone, publicly or privately, that this bookie existed.

You won't even explain why you refuse to provide proof.

So this entire statement is invalid.
+1 million

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These two statements contradict each other.

You vouched for money, and said you would cover it. So far you haven't covered it. Therefore you are not a man of your word.

hint: vouching for money doesn't mean you say you will cover it, and then struggle to pay any of it for the next 12 months.
Jason doesn't get this. He probably does but he's young and immature and his pride and ego won't let him admit it.

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Don't do it!!!! 7 days a week 110+ hours its quite thankless work. Hard to be a friend, have a relationship, be a father, and run the business the right way... Quite stressful
Finally you say something that makes sense in the real world.

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Jason, why are you refusing to name the bookie, even though he scammed you and everyone else betting through you?

Jason, why are you refusing to name the bookie, even though he scammed you and everyone else betting through you?

Jason, why are you refusing to name the bookie, even though he scammed you and everyone else betting through you?

Jason, why are you refusing to name the bookie, even though he scammed you and everyone else betting through you?

Jason, why are you refusing to name the bookie, even though he scammed you and everyone else betting through you?

Jason, why are you refusing to name the bookie, even though he scammed you and everyone else betting through you?

Jason, why are you refusing to name the bookie, even though he scammed you and everyone else betting through you?
HAHA. See reply below.

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I've proven everything that's been asked- your not getting a ****ing name of anyone get over it
HAHA it's because the bookie's name is
Spoiler:



Wow Jason is such a 'don't get it guy'.

I like the idea of whoever is owed $$ by him just eating & drinking for free (at $0.25 on the dollar) at his restaurant until the debit is settled.

At least Jason advises someone not to open a restaurant. At least that much has sunk in.

Chris, seek help. But do it privately. Limit your casino and gambling related activities to poker only.

Jason...
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:49 PM   #1114
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no disrespect Assani, but MM is under no obligation to give you the money. If i were you I would PM Chris to see if he is willing to do you a FAVOR/COURTESY since you did him the FAVOR/COURTESY of posting in here when you didnt have to. Kinda a I helped you can you look out for me kinda thing, but to post in here and try to get people to agree with you to pressure MM to pay you is not a good idea.
I agree completely that he is under no obligation to do so.

I don't like doing things via PM simply because I'm an open and honest guy and in situations like this I'd rather just have everything out in the open. I don't want to talk to a person one way publicly and then talk differently one-on-one.

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but to post in here and try to get people to agree with you to pressure MM to pay you is not a good idea.
I completely apologize if my posts have come across as me trying to pressure Chris. That is not my intention at all. I just saw Chris' post where he said he thinks that I should be the one to pick the charity, so I responded by telling him what I would truly like to see happen. I think thats a reasonable response, and it wasn't at all made trying to pressure him.


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your language has changed from "I am just throwing the idea out there for me to get payed by MM" to "I would request that I be paid my $2022 first. I am not great financially lately, and the money means something to me".
Dude, you need to read the context of those posts though! The first one occured right after the thought "Hey maybe ___________ might be a reasonable idea" popped into my head. The second one occured in response to Chris saying that I should have some input into where the money goes.

So of course my tone/language is going to change. In the first one I was just responding to a thought that popped into my head, so my tone would be one of "asking for others opinions." In the second one I was asked for my input, so my tone was "what I would like to see happen."


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I got alot of respect for you, but I can sense the next step being you bashing or doing something worse when MM gives the money to charity and you dont get paid.
Stop while you are ahead, and PM Chris and see if he is willing. If not it ends there.
Perhaps your sense has been correct in the past in situations like this, but your sense here is 100% wrong. Like I said, the change in tone of my posts was indicative of the context...it was not indicative of a pathway I'm on where I'll soon be "bashing or doing something worse", and I think that my actions in this thread have proven that I deserve the benefit of the doubt here.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:49 PM   #1115
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random drooler here.

you say sheets and moneymaker both were betting with your boss. yet you make the call when sheets wants to pay his debt.

"sheets also lost a few k if I recall and offered to pay and I told him to hold onto it"

Is this normal practice? it looks like a slip of the tongue to me but I dont know anything about this buisness. It seems to me that the boss always wants to collect and wouldnt like you turning down people that want to pay up.
since jason is here and reading the thread. I dont know if its a dumb question or hard to explain.

as an agent you turn down money when people try to pay?
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:50 PM   #1116
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How have you "proven" anything about this bookie?

You haven't answered a single question about it, aside from saying, "Yes there was a bookie."

You haven't provided a SHRED of evidence that he exists.

You won't even explain WHY you won't provide this evidence, despite the fact that he scammed you and others.
+1 repped. brah if this was the misc you would be mod repped over +350 times srs lol jason young brb beta
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:51 PM   #1117
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Paid by JY or getting paid period.
If paid by JY I'll take over 14 days. I'll escrow. Willing to bet up to $100.
haha. I like your side tbh. Not booked.

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Old 11-01-2013, 03:52 PM   #1118
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since jason is here and reading the thread. I dont know if its a dumb question or hard to explain.

as an agent you turn down money when people try to pay?
Great point. So not only was Jason just the agent, his mystery man backer was an idiot and allowed Jason to not collect money that didn't belong to Jason?

Riiiiiight.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:54 PM   #1119
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Maybe it's time to come out and be honest with everyone.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:57 PM   #1120
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Jason young is the bookie. He needs to just set up payment plans with the people he owes and write off the mm bet/freeroll. MM should not pay a dime not even to charity and get his disease under control.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:57 PM   #1121
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I've proven nothing that's been asked- your not getting a ****ing name of anyone get over it, since he doesn't exist.
FYP, you lying narcissist.

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Old 11-01-2013, 03:58 PM   #1122
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@Assani you definitely deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Typically people get more aggressive as time goes on when it comes to collecting money, and thats what it looked like. Thats was all i was saying. In context, I see your point of recommending you as the first charity since Chris is giving the money to charity.
So as long as you are not prepared to get more aggressive against MM we are good.

I still think you should PM Chris and ask him and if he says no just write in the thread, "PM'd Chris about my debt, asked to get paid, he said No because he didnt want to be tied up in JY's stuff which I respect so I recommended to him that he give the money to the Red Cross" or whatever.
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so I recommended to him that he give the money to the Red Cross" or whatever.
Everyone who is eligible should donate blood to recross every 60 days. Help save a life. Thank you.
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Old 11-01-2013, 04:07 PM   #1124
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Yes, AE Jones probably saw it first, commented on it, and told his friend Assani.

Assani chose to come out for the reasons I already stated.

Again, I do NOT blame Assani for this, nor do I think his reasons for posting here are bad.

However, he is not doing Chris a favor by coming out here. He is calling out someone who has scammed/slow-paid him, and also increasing his chances of getting a $2k debt to him paid.
It sounds like you're making a read on my intentions. Its going to be impossible for me to ever prove what my thought process was when deciding to make my first post, and honestly it was probably more along the lines of "aejones linked me here, i'm here now and have info, of course i'll post it" than any in-depth thought process about optimizing my means of getting paid. So I'd rather not even bother to debate it. I will simply point out that its possible to have multiple intentions or reasons for doing something, so I don't think the fact that I am acting partly out of selfishness means that I wasn't also doing Chris a favor.


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Actually AE Jones brought up the Assani debt ITT.
yea fwiw I didn't even see this thread until aejones linked me. Once he linked me I quickly read the last few posts that were made and made the decision to post....it was such a fast decision that I probably couldn't even accurately describe my entire thought process and reasons for why I posted- sometimes you just act in life, and its super hard to pinpoint the exact reasons that went into your decision. Most often, I think its a big combination of things and not one single cause like many people like to think.
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How different would everybody's opinions be if JY snap payed Assani when he came into this thread?
And Assani posts something like "I talked to JY, he payed me, was very apologetic. I honestly just think it was a big miss communication. Glad its resolved." .
Probably would've been a good move by JY.
The crazy thing is that he could've had the same good-will without even paying me immediately. If he had just been super apologetic, never cast blame at me and shown the intention to set up a payment plan then I would've supported him incredibly strongly throughout this. But the way in which he has tried to cast the blame on me while never once admitting fault makes it harder for me to support him in this thread(and I've honestly tried to support him!).
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