Why doesn't Chris Moneybooker just bet offshore then? Couldn't he just send money to 5dimes/heritage or bookmaker and then make wagers and know he will collect when he wins? Or is it just convenient for him to do with a bookie b/c its all on credit? I don't really understand why anyone would use a local b/c there is always a chance you can get stiffed.

It is a titanic pain in the ass to fund or withdraw from most of these places. When talking 5 figure balances it is even more of a nightmare.

Postup shops are far from any kind of safe haven with regards to the protection of your money. I have multiple close friends who have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars from offshore books.

Add in the lack of a paper trail, and the fact you don't have to lay out money (regardless if you actually have it or not), and it is a very attractive option.

No literally, Im getting tired. you cant see it in my typing and edits? Have to sign off soon
..lol

The evidence was all that which was supplied in the thread. People having been owed money for ages while all his money was tied up in a restaurant and the same exact discussion that already has been had in this thread. My point was simply that given all of what was known ITT, it was sensible to believe both were free rolling each other. Dear god this one has run it's course. Place it in the history books as a degens classic though.

I mean seriously Assani, WTF? Not only do you get stiffed for over a year over a ridiculously small amount of cash, now that JY apparently is getting the money in full, you still allow a payment plan, ensuring he plays the float even longer? If that payment plan doesn't end in 3 months max, this is just crazy.

At some point, you really deserve some of this, quite frankly. If you act like a floor mat, people are going to walk all over you.

--PP

No. Firstly, it's been "resolved" once before, and we know how that ended... Secondly, as you noted, people have still not received the cash. Assani has apparently agreed to a payment plan, as well! So this could drag on for many, many months.

What happens when one of those checks bounces? Or if another mystery client appears with an unpaid debt?

But agree there is little left of value here unless something new emerges.

--PP

Yeah I mean Assani really seems like a stand up guy but I have to agree with your premise here PP.

C'mon Assani, there is no way in hell you should even be agreeing to a "payment plan" after Chris stated that he now believes Jason(That's a whole other discussion)and he will be paying him.

Again, I give props to Jason who in a matter of days has 1)obv paid bundy to come on here and support him unconditionally 2)put together some kind of "proof" to flip flop Chris yet again and 3)continue to stall Assani and not get any flak from it.

Well done Jason, well done.

would be pretty hilarious if the other guy has to keep his $500 per year installments also.

JY haters gonna keep hating I suppose

Thanks for taking the time to do this and sharing your opinion.

Assani if JY is receiving the money in full from Chris, you shouldn't accept payment in installments although it's obviously better than nothing

This thread is another in a long line of twoplustwo NVG threads wherein the majority of the posters demonstrate that they are absolutely lost when it comes to sportsbetting, and, credit in the gambling business in general (including subjects such as "cash on hand", "money xfers", "agents", "settle figures", etc).

Special moron credit awarded to the "How stupid are people to think they can bet at -110 and win" guy, but indeed, the majority of posters in these threads are and always will be clueless.
They will never be in a position of dealing with larger sums of money, larger bets, etc.

There is nothing wrong with having a small bankroll - perhaps this is a fun hobby, or they are building a br, or whatever.

But there is something wrong with people lacking any sort of practical knowledge of a subject - and in most cases not even understanding the basics - pontificating and making judgements when in actuality they are totally lost and hopelessly clueless.

Someone asked somewhere in this thread "Why do people who have no idea what they're talking about feel a need to post?"

The answer is: "Because 90% of the posts on this site (and on the net in general) would not exist".

Make that figure 98% for NVG.

Do you think there is any chance that those posters (that is the father and son) in the thread that you brought up will get their money or prizes from MM's company?

That's irrelevant. It would still have been the right move then he could have come on here and said MM owes him, he's given him proof and he's still not paying. I expect he would have taken a lot less flack that way.

Funny. This coming from a guy who posts this:

AND then you double post twice instead of editing your post for some stupid reason:

Post #1719 and #1720
Pst # 1722 and #1723

All four of these posts are you, so out of 5 consecutive posts, you are 4 of them. What a dumb hypocrite you are.

Something tells me jy owes alot more then a few people money. Payment plan for 2 grand when mm is giving u 20k, really? There was no bookie. This is a freeroll that turned into blackmail

Did you completely miss the part where JY and I had come up with a solution but then Chris posted this:




What part of my posts since those 3 posts did you think were "using this thread to get money from a person (increasingly more obv. because of his celebrity) that your wager had nothing to do with"? Furthermore, how do you want me to respond to those posts?

Confirmed.

I feel like you're not even reading the thread and just making stuff up. I've posted exactly how JY is paying me already- he sent me multiple checks 2 days ago with instructions on when to cash each of them. I am not getting paid all at once, but I've told Jason this is ok and I'm good with this plan.

I've been ok with this plan since Jason suggested it. The only reason I ever went back to thinking MM might pay me is because he said so directly when NLSoldier asked him to clarify whether his post was saying that "assani, sheets, etc. were getting paid by you".

You still don't seem to get it. What evidence is there for CM to not have paid in May? Assani and Sheets are irrelevant; Chris was unaware of Assani and Sheets bets took place in October.

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Its like 100% no checks would be good right now. Sending the checks instead of dealing with Kilowatt was a stalling tactic rather than a convenience factor. JY would have used Kilowatt in a second if it were to get paid.

How so?

The payment plan should be over well before the end of the calendar year.

I've gotten some PMs similar to this post. You guys underestimate me sometimes....Rather than argue with Jason in any way, I've asked him to set up a payment plan with the only rule being that I'm going to publicly post if/when I have been paid in full. I'm well aware of the dynamic this sets up, and I think it results in me getting my money as quickly as possible while limiting any possible disputes. I think that if I were to try to dictate the terms of the payment plan and/or play more of a "tough guy" then that would be suboptimal.


I'm not in danger of being unable to pay rent/bills any time soon, so the difference between having my entire $2022 now and having it in 4-6 weeks really makes no practical difference to my life; I just want to feel secure that I am going to get it.

Since JY has already sent the checks in the mail, this seems to be the easiest way to ensure that nothing else will go wrong. If JY(or Chris) would rather sending me all the money ASAP then I would do that and rip up the checks(on camera if necessary to prove it). Otherwise, I'm ok with what we've set up.

Not sure why people are so upset about the payment plan, Assani seems fine with it and that's all that should matter.

This is an off-topic tangent, but wtf we've had a few already so no harm in one more....

In my experience the SB community is much more "hush hush" with their information than the poker community has been. As a result, most of the poker forums here are populated by regs who are very good at poker and who are posting solid advice that showcases a solid understanding of proper fundamentals. However the SB forum still has a ton of wrong/bad advice in threads(or at least they used to- I haven't read it in at least a year), and many of the OPs are started by guys who are clearly not beating SB long term. I experienced this first hand when I tried to start a thread in SB and got attacked as a "troll" simply because I had quite a few large misunderstandings about the truth behind winning sportsbetting.

Personally, I would rather educate the masses on poker/SB/etc. I think that a goal of a person in any profession should be to help the human race collectively get better and better at his/her area of expertise. It helps us as a species, and it forces you to continue to improve yourself if you want to continue to earn money. A lot of sportsbettors don't seem to want this and would rather protect their own income by keeping the public unaware of certain concepts.

I wouldn't have a problem with any of this except for how many sportsbettors then turn around and tell people how they don't know what they're talking about and shouldn't feel qualified to post on a subject. Well if you want the public to be better equipped to discuss subjects like this, then actually work on educating the public instead of protecting your own source of income so much. Otherwise the ignorance of the public in discussions like these is something you should expect, and good SBs shouldn't get angry when they encounter it.