I really hope the guys that JY owes money to calls The Turn and lets the other owners/employees know about this thread and how JY owes so much money. Seems only fair since he contacted Pokerstars

The point is semantically you can pick apart any of the statements and try to detract from them by pointing to the lack of proof. You can do that with anything stated in this thread. "Oh sheets came forth owed 7-8k?" How do we know for sure that he is owed that amount and not 4-5k? There is no proof of slip he is owed that, but Jason Young hasn't contested the amount.

Everything in that timeline is the least disputed points in the thread, any people with half a brain can infer which ones are true and which are not. But you are troll with an account that was created 3 months ago, so enjoy this:

Well actually hardly any of this thread has been factual - it's speculative unless bank statements, account details are shown to back-up the respective stories but as we know given the nature of the subject it is hardly going to be forthcoming.

The only factual part (relevant to JY v MM) to this thread are the texts that JY supplied.

Also lol for you not including the texts in your timeline and also lol for you not mentioning that the reason why JY hasn't paid Assani in over 18 months is because he states that he was unaware of the debt and only became aware this summer (which Assani doesn't rule out himself to be true)

Well actually you bring me to one crucial contention that JY makes but CM has yet to address which is a further promise by CM in this year's WSOP to make good on his debt.

I suspect that it was just the tip of the iceberg those texts supplied by JY from July to September 2012 that confirms CM owing JY the money and there could be many more incriminating evidence to come to light on MM that JY is withholding because of MM's name in poker.

The texts are just noise and a smear campaign. If you could read, which apparently you have trouble as noticed by you harping for 5 pages of "Where is this guy who Moneymaker heard from" AFTER ak87 posted he was owed, you would see that I put Moneymaker is a degen who would've either slowpaid (if he didn't find out about existing debts) or not paid at all.

Moneymaker is a degen.

Jason is a scammer.

It's funny that all the "don't pay" people are not denying Moneymaker being a degen, but every person stating "pay" are claiming Jason Young is a complete stand up guy, even after apparently trying to black mail.

Not quite.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=543

Valid logical deduction from known facts IS evidence.

Fact: At the time of the murder Joe was at dinner with 12 friends.

Deduction: if Joe was at dinner with 12 friends he could not have been in the apartment when his girlfriend was killed.

Conclusion: Thus it is impossible that Joe killed his girlfriend.

QED.

Yeah and...

so July this year was the first recorded mention of Assani to JY that he owed him money.

Funny how you consider them both to be despicable people but fall heavily onto one side...

Probably refers to more about MM supporters trying to add weight and impartiality to their arguments

No u.



OMG someone random on the internet can't take a clearly facetious post and then some guy (andrewga) tries to plays psychiatrist. IT MUST BE TRUE!

And no, the bolding of random words throughout a post in a thread like this completely out of context and then posting some faux concern about his mental state is what made your original post horrid.

Ted/Al/King Kong,

I have been operating under the perception that you are simply obtuse and just don't get it. But the manner by which you dodge and fail to respond and non respond to the arguments led me to concluded that no amount of reason or evidence will ever convince you of anything. Your appearance here is to simply parse and pose straw man arguments to rationalize JY's indefensible behavior. WP.

You quoted my post and then never addressed the issue. Here it is and the challenge that I have put forth to JY to resolve the issue and prove he is not a scammer:

Lastly, he has had 18 months to meet personally with CM to alleviate CM's concerns that this was NOT a free roll. He could have met CM in private with his phone, laptop, emails, skype's, bank statements, and betting sheets.

JY and his minnions need to STFU and do this.

Agreed. Might have contributed to it, and it wasn't my intention.

Okay, least disputed is our common ground.
However, I disagree with the points in timeline, especially because:

- you have put them with prejudice (with use of adjectives, by attaching your personal opinion to them and omission)

Point is if you are trying to find points in this thread which are least disputed then just cite them.
(to be clear I do not dispute your right to have an opinion, nor the majority of points ITT you have mentioned, I just contest your way of presenting them)

Thank you. Enjoyed it very much.

Nope. It's still valid logical deduction. (and it's not just difference in semantics)

See post #633.

Just cleaning up the thread as it slowly dies, unless JY chimes in

What you are saying is true. But the above is a completely different situation than if the bookie owes money and cannot pay it and THEN takes on more bets. In your situation, all the bets are made at the same time and the bookie knows he will win some....so it isn't necessary to have $500,000 on hand. Totally different than being in the negative and not being able to pay out and then taking on more bets.

I don't know exactly what happened in this case, but I haven't seen anyone say it went down like the above quote.

It has to be factored somewhere in there, that despite JY walking the tight rope of The Book, and making some huge mistakes in allowing himself to get into a situation taking bets, and the questionable tactics he has used to recover the money from MM, he has been up front that he does owe, and he has been up front in the methods he is trying to satisfy those debts. Whether that 'red' situation he has put himself in can be called free rolling, or somehow taints or nulls a bet seems to be an intractable point with the two sides of this issue.

The more seasoned gamblers in that specific world talk about gamblers honor and taking responsibility for your own actions. JY takes that responsibility by admitting he owes, and trying to arrange payment. MM takes responsibility for his mistakes as well, and is willing to divest himself of that money, showing he is concerned about the principles of the issue himself, not just saving the cash.

JY has not addressed MM's plan of action, in which MM apparently feels satisfies the honor side of the situation. When we here from JY about that, that will be the next interesting side of the thread.

Ok so this is really straying from the point, but as long as it has been brought up.....

A very close friend of mine has a child afflicted with an awful kidney disease, and he spends probably 20 hours per week working for a foundation dedicated to finding a cure.

www.nephcure.org

This charity was actually featured in one season of celebrity apprentice.

Among other things, my friend hosts a NL tourney for the charity every year , usually the Thursday before Memorial day, where 3-400 beginners play a 500nl with an enormous rake etc, with alot of the proceeds going to the charity.

I help out by serving a bounty, saying a few things, helping out wherever I can etc...but I have an idea.

I cannot absolve the entire debt because I have another person who gets half, but I would be willing to to is this:

If Chris (or anyone really lol) would donate $2,000 now, and Chris commit to showing up at the tournament in NY and play, be an ambassador of poker, maybe give a 20 min lesson or whatever, I would completely accept that in lieu of $4,000 of Jason's debt to me. (I cant see why Jason would have a problem with this as well).He could send me the 2k and I could take care if it, or he could donate it directly. I don't care. Not interested in the discussion of what value that has really....but as the charity thing was brought up, I am more than willing to take him up on that.

If he or Jason or anyone hahaha would rather just donate it directly to the charity that's fine too, but the appearance would be cool.

It would be for an extremely worthy cause and I would be 100% fine with that.

^^

Obv good idea. Hope something like this gets done.

Just for the entertainment value of the thread and because it is a worthy cause, just donated $25, in honor of JY and MM 2plus2

^^^obv terrible idea

Good dude ITT.

Seriously, Sheets and Assani both deserve a round of applause for both being non-douche bags, while at the same time being ones that are unquestionably owed in relation to all of this.

QFT.

Now this is a post when someone is genuine about donation to charity.
Great idea, and I do hope CM will (if it comes to his donation of 15k to charity) see it also.

Until that time please send me by PM information about your charity along side with IBAN, SWIFT and name of the bank where they have an account so I could make some smaller donation in December ( Christmas spirit etc...)
(considering to donate 5$ for each post I make ITT - so far I think this no 5 )

texted Jason last night with your info. Only gave email and real name, as I think thats all thats needed for QP. I told him I have your account # if that is needed.

Just wanted to let everyone here know that Chris just texted me that he is going to be donating to the charity and also coming to the event, and will be making another donation at the event.

Maybe a HU match vs Jason also! (Just kidding about that last part but the rest is true.....thanks man)