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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
That is incorrect. AK87 confirmed his bet took place in October, same as the sheets bet. This is consistent with Jason Young's story and once again contradicts Moneymaker's OP.
Seems to me Moneymaker placed a bet he couldn't honor and then 6 months later found an angle to try and get out of it. Once this was going to be exposed here he got out ahead of it with half truths and misleading information to make himself look better.
Moneymaker also made an OP outing a scammer friend of his who he now apparently hangs around with again, and who he helped facilitate a trade with on these forums in a rather non-transparent manner.
This does not absolve Jason Young of the October debts and the Assani situation. He also looks scummy, communicates about as well as a ten year old, and has a really ****ty attitude considering the circumstances.
I don't see anywhere on this thread, anyone defending Chris' past actions. Stop trying to make that the case. Apparently the timeline is off, so here:
April
Jason Young couldn't pay April debt to now confirmed Assani (which was conveniently his own bet and not through bookie)
May
Moneymaker loses 14-20k in NHL/sports related bets. Figure varies from Monkeymaker/Jason's version. Jason also attests an additional 5k in online money loans to Money were made.
May
Jason Young, not being able to pay Assani 2k for whatever reason, is able to front 20k+ to his bookie for Moneymakers debt.
Summer
Jason Young invests heavily into a restaurant called The Turn, and admits this effectively ties up all his liquidity.
October
Jason Young took at least 2 more bets that won against his bookie totaling over 20k (ak 14k and sheets 7-8k). No one knows if other bets were taken and paid for that lost against this bookie.
late October?
Bookie skips town, screws Jason Young as he feels obligated to pay these guys. He initiates a payment plan and is in constant contact with all of them (according to Jason)
One year passes
- Of these two bets which were made around the time the bookie skipped whom Jason feels loyal too, only one has been apparently paid back ($500 over 1 year out of 7-8k, which equates to roughly less than $50 a month).
- ak87 did not post any info of being paid back
- Assani stated that it has been very hard to contact Jason Young and provided evidence of Jason Young being difficult to contact. He has not been paid anything back either, and apparently Jason needs to work out a payment plan with him as well.
The above is all factual according to this thread, and the ONLY part that is speculative is the existence of a bookie.
This brings up two conclusions about Jason Young's character:
1) Assuming Jason Young is telling the truth of an existing bookie, and is acting only as a super loyal agent who feels responsible for the bookie, questions arise. Such as, why would one feel obligated to pay bettors who he doesn't seem to have a long history with. ak87 and sheets by all their posts in this thread, indicate they don't know Jason personally well on any level.
Jason also states he has a long history of being scammed before. For him to not learn from his mistakes to the point of asking Moneymaker for 15-20k to pay his bookie, instead of blindly trusting him and fronting money. This either makes him the
most trusting person in poker, or borderline ******ed.
2) Assuming Jason Young is lying about there being a bookie, and booked the bets himself,
he is a scumbag and intended for the losses to outweigh the wins. This is actually much more common than the first instance, so much so that many people in this thread called it out. When it didn't work out that way, he attempted to cover his tracks by placing the blame on Moneymaker.
Moneymaker
- None of this changes or excuses the fact Moneymaker is a sports degen who would've either slow paid (if you believe that he paid back 2 of his outstanding debts after Main Event win) or skipped the bet entirely.
Anyone who looks up to Main Event champions has big problems with their values system. The only reason people are disagreeing with Moneymaker paying is due to the fact if he lost, he would be on the list of sheets, ak87, assani of unpaid bettors Jason had business with. Keep in mind 2+2 isn't as pervasive as some may believe - it's quite possible live poker players took bets with Jason who haven't posted here and haven't been paid out.