I think it has been pretty much accepted from JY's version that by the time this bet was made JY was out of the betting business and focusing on his restaurant and this was a one-off type vouch.

LOL at taking a shot at the Flying Spaghetti Monster like it's story is any less credible/believable than the major religions of the world. Flying spaghetti monster is questionable, but talking snakes and men coming back to life are not?!

All of this +1. Jason's attitude is why people get the **** kicked out of them. Not gambling related (although in this case it is), but just in life in general. The apathy, narcissism and lack of intelligence is just disgusting.

Haha good question. Shouldn't there be some bookie somewhere who wants his $15k from MM? Are we to really believe that Jason paid MM's losses to the bookie? I highly doubt a guy as unintelligent as Jason either had $15k or fronted $15k.

I think it's laughable that these two degenerates likely wouldn't agree to a live debate/discussion because they both know that their stories are bull**** and make them look bad.

At the time, back in March/April, I was playing on lock, could use the money there, and told him that this would be ok.

Obviously now that would not be an acceptable form of payment

FYP

I think when the bookie skipped, JY decided to assume the bookie's debts (because he had vouched for him, is a good guy etc), and JY also wants to take on the bookie's assets (CM's debt).

His attempt to roll up other peoples debts in this way is part of the confusion that is this thread.

wow amazed this thread is still alive

Would anyone here out the bookies name if he is mob connected like most bookies in the northeast are? Maybe JY doesn't want his restaurant burnt down.

There was no bookie

Yes. There is this straight up rock solid bookie who gives free credit for up to 50k. He owns a restaurant in NY. You need to order a lunch special and a Shirley Temple on Fridays to activate your account. He deals with alot of celebs and poker pros. He is honest, just ask him and he will tell you.


I think the point JY and his virulent sock puppets don't understand (or maybe they do) is that he hasn't proven his case. Yes MM was probably busto when he made the bet, would have stalled him until he raised the cash (staking/sponsorship?), and is using JYs situation to void the bet and free roll him now. Most all reasonable people agree on this. But the issue shifts to JY to prove:

1- Was there a bookie/were these bets placed
2- Was JY solvent

JY, prove those 2 points to a trusted, confidential, 3rd party and you win. You get your money and MM eats humble pie. But its obvious you won't, because you can't. You and the sock puppets can keep playing these reindeer games, but its all noise. Prove to a trusted, confidential, mutually agreed upon, 3rd party these 2 points and you win. Otherwise there is no reason for you to continue with this charade. The circumstantial evidence and the appearance of your butt sniffing shills is not helping your case. Prove those 2 points or man up and simply concede you were a free rolling, gambling, degenerate who got way in over his head. Because that is really what happened.

So MM escapes liability for the bet even despite him being busto at the time when he made it?

Free shot at some money to get him back in the black

Lol - just look at the OP and the indisputed facts which are the texts supplied by JY NVG - it isn't that hard folks.

Then he should just say that

It'll become the obvious play then

That part I don't believe has been focused on specifically. Seems super sketchy and unethical. Makes JY look awful.

Tell me: why wouldn't he tell JY at the time in those texts that he knew JY owed money?

It 100% supports his case to not have to pay but by not doing so he is the one that is leading JY on that instead his payment is forthcoming and ultimately comes off as the one who is 'super sketchy and unethical'.

Despite Druff's et al views on freerolling somehow being a nullifier, tainter, voider of MM's action, this post best exemplifies my concept of what accepted gambling behavior was supposed to be. And while their arguements have validity, I think the philosophy expressed in this excellent post represents the accepted behavior in the world that MM and JY have placed themselves in, and makes the Druff/free roller arguements less valid.

Yes, because the circumstantial evidence indicates JY was busto as well. Bet is void. JY is the one seeking payment, so if he can prove the 2 points mentioned I and many others will change their opinion. I think if this can be proven even MM has conceded he will pay up. So get JY to do it and this matter for him, sheets, MM, et al will be settled.

Exactly. And it is the same shot JY took with him. And it is the same shot JY took in October when he took on sheets action again. Thats what degens like MM and JY do. You see I am not siding with either.

Yep. He bet with money he did not have. JY did the same thing.

If you really want to do something positive, have JY prove that there was a bookie and that JY was solvent to a confidential, mutually trusted, 3rd party and JY gets his money. If not, you, JY, and his few supporters need to just stop. The circular arguments are looking foolish and are not convincing anyone. The chances of him getting his money have gone out the window.

What circumstantial evidence?


That is fantastic that you are so impartial.



Again - and I shouldn't have to repeat myself - the whereabouts or the naming of the bookie doesn't matter.

MM has not challenged that JY has the rights to collect this money and again going back to the actual timeline of events - MM won the $5k bet, he chose to let it ride which meant that he had confidence in the bookie or JY being able to pay if he had a further win and as we know he lost that bet - confessed to owing the money to JY in subsequent texts but as we now know in this thread has come up with some excuses as to why he shouldn't pay which appear to be fabricated as it isn't backed up by the evidence.

People keep saying that, but I don't see why. This thread is full of entertainment, narcissism, degeneracy. Reading it makes me feel great about myself.

If only Phil Ivey and Crockfords Casino would start their own 2+2 thread.

I can see PH supporting MM - but PH supports anyone with a bracelet

Bundy I have admitted mistakes and I will pay for those mistakes in rep and also by giving the money I lost to charity. Why are you still here fighting? Are you Jason's friend, he owe you money or jason himself. Don't understand why you want him paid so bad when I know I was freerolled.

You weren't being freerolled. Your posts and his texts don't back this up. I do however support you paying Assani and sheets first and I would like the balance to go to JY.

True, I kinda wanna just see a debate between JY and MM without any other posters in the middle of it. That would be entertainment at its finest.

Why should assani and sheets be paid before ak87 or others jason owe

Prove to me that JY owes ak87 or others anything? Where have they said this? If ever there was an opportunity to be heard as to money that JY purportedly owes them it is ITT.