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Originally Posted by bundy5
Why does that matter? Fact is, MM made the bet with JY as the agent or at worse the bookie.
Yes it does matter. If you read the thread you would understand that bookie skipped town, and didn't pay any bets thereafter (according to Jason). If this is true, Chris doesn't owe.
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Even if the bookie did exist and was named, it doesn't take away from JY having the authority to collect and MM being liable to pay on the losing bet.
Moneymaker isn't liable to pay a bookie who was never going to pay him.
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Where is the proof that JY was busto? No-one can refute (even Assani himself) that the 2k that was owed to Assani at about the time MM lost his bet wasn't lost 'in translation' as a result of poor communication. It should be mentioned that JY has since then acknowledged the bet and initiated steps to pay it back.
First off, Jason has admitted 0 fault on his side, despite evidence clearly supporting Assani's version (which no one has disputed). It shows the kind of character Jason is. If he pays off the 2k in one month we will see, but everything else is talk/noise.
An interesting note about Assani: All the pro-Jason Young supporters were stating how there was 0 proof that any bets were owed and unpaid in April, Assani steps forward with evidence (which Jason doesn't dispute) and they are still defending him.
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As for any other evidence that JY was busto (with reference in particular to the 18k) well that is still unsubstantiated until the person owed comes forward which is extremely unlikely and in all likelihood, just fabricated by MM as we can tell by his OP - I'll pick out this specifically:
So basically we have, from MM's own account, that let's say that within a week of losing the bet that an anonymous player comes forward and says that JY owes him 18k which stalls MM's payment to JY and then for the next two months (April to June/July) more people come forward and say that JY owes them money which prompted further stalling and not paying - well where is reference to this in JY's messages?
You would think, from a reasonable point of view, that there would be some sort of mention of this hint of freerolling by JY by stating that the reason I haven't paid you the money yet is because of you reportedly owing other people money but all I can see from his texts up to September (which is 2 months past July from where MM has said that he has received notice from other people who are owed money from JY) that he does in fact owe money to JY and is waiting on some sort of staking deal to pay...WTF?
Well I guess he has had more than a year to come up with a concrete story (or so he thought)
There is a lot of stuff being said back and forth. I said I don't know Chris and he is definitely no angel (no one who is involved in a situation like this ever comes out smelling like roses). It doesn't change the fact that Jason OR his bookie screwed multiple people. Having Chris pay on bet that would've never been paid off (see Sheets, Assani, others) doesn't make it
more equitable.
A similar situation would be me taking bets from 5 people, 4 of them winning and one losing, and having no capital (for whatever reason - invested, etc), and telling the 4 "oh well my bookie skipped town so I'm waiting on 5th guy to payout."
Answer me this: How is anyone getting paid if all 5 won?
Can anyone who defends Jason answer this? Because people who won when the bookie was apparently still in town STILL didn't get paid (see sheets, $500 over 18 months out of 7-8k payout, which is about $28 a month... if you think that is a
reasonable payment plan you need to get out of this thread).
That is the situation that Chris and others in this thread who have bet before are looking at it. You need to have capital on hand to pay, not rely solely on losers paying the winners. Otherwise it's a freeroll/scam/no intention of paying.