I disagree, JY has plenty incentive to remain ITT. The dispute with Chris is far less significant then his reputation in and out of the poker world. Not responding to accusations in this thread does lend credibility to them. Also the new info coming out over JY not paying a very very small debt to Assani, who he ironically asked to escrow before the wager, should make Chris rethink his decision . I think this dispute is far from being settled.

If they reached a deal...I think this thread should be locked.

imho the "he is a nice guy and wants to pay us but he cant" is bs... come on, he dug himself a hole with multiple bets/players and now owns 20k+? (lowballing), besides that he opens a restaurant with your money, and he even keeps gambling himself...


"but he is a nice guy and he will pay when he can"...

Pinnacle doesn't take credit from busto loser degens

lol, im sure assani contacted him, and jason never responded or gave him some excuse.

a simple truth ive learned: IF SOMEONE WHO OWES YOU DOESNT PAY YOU IS BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE THE MONEY, the rest are just made up excuses

Given new information and most importantly how it was handled by jason I am not paying him at all. He would of found 2+2 if he won and dodged that guy. I was fooled again talking to him and how he was a good guy just trying to pay everyone off. In reality he is talking to them and making promises while playing 5k events. End of discussion for me.

Stick with your decision this time. You were right from the get-go.

swongs

good choice dunlap.

+1

A lot of variance in this thread!

Chris you seem to be sorta bouncing between polar opposite ends of the spectrum which i'd guess is mostly just telling of your desire for the matter to be put behind you, but I think a better line would be to say you are holding off on paying at least for now and putting the pressure back on Jason to come back in here and answer some of the tough questions kilowatt and others have posed to him before making your final decision. if he can't/won't do that then I'd think most everyone would agree that you are absolutely correct to not pay him.

+1

I just think it's obvious from JY's attitude and actions within this thread that he has no desire or ability to squarely address the questions kilowatt posed.

lol i thought it was standard for all broke mtt pros to get put into 5k's

Well said Chris.

Although I read the thread from the outset I jumped in and posted very late, after Assani posted. The reason I waited was see all the facts and variables come to light.

Your decision to pay JY looked like a bad decision but there was some gray area and it seemed like you valued your rep and putting this behind you enough to bite the bullet. If you paid after Assini and JY just vanishing, you would be an idiot, glad to see you are not an idiot. You, sheets, and many others ITT came off real well in my eyes. Good luck in the future.

ffs this

JFC this thread. Dammit. I thought this was going to be over.

I was sorta on dunlaps side of things at the start, but dear god JY looks so bad now. Derp, just trying to do the right thing while telling people that I don't have enough to cover debts b/c I was clearly freerolling someone who now owes and it's his fault your not getting paid.

Come on buddy. Coommmeeee on buddy.

Dunlap looks bad too obv but jfc at the people who are saying "a bets a bet pay up".

Nice threadsaver

And this is why paying you and others is very complicated and messy and not equitable at all to any of the bettors Jason owes (which are many).

If there is one solution, it's Chris should not pay.

Nothing to add. Agree with CM not paying from all ive read. Hope this is resolved to everyones satisfaction sometime soon

Until evidence is shown that jason could have paid mm, and that he had funds available to do so when the bets were made, and that other winners have been paid,I agree with Chris' decision.

Chris, I'd still like to know were your bets placed online, through a third party, or through jason directly.

If placed directly through jason, then you definitely should not pay.

This goes out against what Jason has stated. According to him, he cares about his reputation in the community and doing right by others.

According to him.

Yes it does. Using your logic then any bet he didn't pay doesn't implicate Jason as insolvent. If he owed 100k, we could use that flawed rationale there too.

In regards to your comment of effort by Assani:

All evidence points to Jason booking the bets directly.

No one is claiming Chris is an angel. But lots of people with experience in sports betting are stating Chris got freerolled, and he shouldn't try to rectify this situation for Jason for all the other people who got freerolled.

This is a key fact you are missing. You are claiming that Chris would have never got freerolled, and 3 people have already come forth stating they basically have been. And getting paid $500 in 1+ year on an 8k payout is being freerolled, if you can't see what's going on I'll explain: Jason is trying to do is clear his name a bit so he can take more bets and get out of debt.

So let's try to follow your rationale:

First you state that one has to prove that Jason was insolvent by way of unpaid bets on April (done - re: assani).
Then you reverse your thought process and state that doesn't matter because it's a small bet (logic flaw, then any bet doesn't matter in April that he couldn't pay).
Then you state Chris should pay if there is a 3rd party/bookie (which there most likely isn't, and if there was, why should Chris pay a bookie who skipped town according to Jason and didn't pay out?)
Then you claim, well even if all above are true, Chris didn't know at the time so he should pay anyway. (but he knows all this now, when payment is being asked for via smearing Chris' name)

Your logic has a lot of flaws and I hope you can see why.

Are the other guys that are owed substantial sums 2+2 members? It'd be nice if they came in explained how JY has handled owing them $$ and hear their stories.

Current graph for thread

I agree their stories would make things far more clear and probably drive the final nail into JY's story. However they may want to stay anonymous, like you obviously do. The last thing they want to do is tick off JY since he owes them money.