Thanks for that. Can you post the wine list?

You mean solvent?

MM admits himself he can't find any dirt:

And I think I can say the same for you that you are so pro-moneymaker

lol

I disagree totally about your analysis of Kilowatt. At first he was very neutral and offered himself up to be an arbitrator. However, Jason stopped posting for days and didn't offer any proof towards what he was claiming. He refused to answer basic questions posed not only by Kilowatt but anybody else. In addition, a recent new claim of another welched debt by Assani just surfaced so you can see why Kilowatt is right now favoring his viewpoint towards Chris. Just my opinion but I think it is completely justified.

Like when he contacted you in August, you replied that you would settle in within a couple of weeks, and then didn't contact him or communicate until he raised the issue here nearly 3 months later? That's what "100% been taken care of" and "stayed in contact" means?

I think you're playing a bit fast & loose with your bets and your statements about them.

1) No, I meant you stated no one came forth at the time proving Jason Young was insolvent, yet you were wrong, despite evidence already being posted (which you ignored again).

2) Moneymaker does not have complete list of Jason's clients, and I doubt this thread fully encompasses most people. But so far, none of the "100s" of people that can vouch for Jason has come forth. Moneymaker does not say he cannot find any dirt, in fact he goes so far in to state he is only going through with payment due to Jason's track history. It has nothing to do with all of his shady actions in the past year or so, which comically, I find part of Jason's track history as well.

3) I'm not pro Moneymaker, I'm pro not getting screwed. Too many scumbags in the poker world.

The Assani revelation is a game changer and the "if the glove don't fit" moment in this case. It now proves that JY owed money as early as April and is the proof you and others required to revise your opinion. It is proof beyond a shadow of doubt that CM was being freerolled. We have a timeline now. I am beginning to understand why JY (and others) wanted to get this settled ASAP ITT. There is a lot more **** to come. A mistrial needs to be declared in this case and CM needs to cancel the deal!!! Don't pay this dbag a dime!

I wonder if JY would have found a way to log in to 2+2 and contact Assani if he had lost!

SO SO TRUE

This is Turning out to to be quite the thread. There have been quite a few twists and Turns with new revelations coming out each day. Now it is my Turn to speak. Chris, don't pay that him a dime. It Turns out that he never had a bookie as he claimed and all evidence points to him being the bookie who was freerolling you. In Turn, we have had Sheets, AK87 and now Asani corroborate that he was insolvent and still hasn't paid them. I know you tried to Turn the other cheek and agreed to pay Sheets and others he owes but don't do it. With Asani's new information and timeline you need to tell Jason you now won't pay because it is irrefutable that you were being freerolled. Turn around and walk away from this situation. He may Turn into a raving lunatic when he hears this but screw him. The only thing I disagree with is the posting of his restaurants name. I think that should be redacted from this thread. Jason Turned out to be a real piece of work who can't be trusted, but you are giving anyone he owes money too an easy way to track him down. This could Turn out to be an even bigger story if that happens.

Maybe I'm just a nit...but why the constant capitalization of the word 'turn' ?

It's laughable to think anyone's gonna go hurt Jason over 8k or whatever, but why exactly do you think the people he owes money to shouldn't be able to track him down if they want to?

Because it's being used as part of a name.

Um WAT?!

He made it public in an interview at Pokernews in August:

Jason Young won a World Series of Poker gold bracelet back in 2008, but has since stepped away from the game to open a restaurant named The Turn in New Jersey. He is also now a father of one with his girlfriend. Young opted to head down to Florida for the Seminole Hard Rock Poker Open $10 Million Championship Event, and was kind enough to talk with us.

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2013/0...winn-16162.htm


People waiting to be paid but had $5300 buyin money? Maybe it was staked?

Believe me, I hate it too. I never come here really but Jason alerted me to the thread and asked if I would post here regarding my experience with him etc. I think I was as factual as possible as far as that goes.

Oh and it does not need to be deep down...I 100% know Jason is in the wrong here on many levels. As a matter of fact, I spoke to Chris about this just 2 days ago, and told him straight out that I completely sympathize with him.

However, I certainly am not going to apologize for wanting to get paid faster. I am certainly not going to say no, if Chris in fact opts to pay, and I get to see my money faster as a result of that. But I completely agree with mr newcomer sam, in absoluting HATING that I came on here, because, as I said many times, any opinion I give would be easily dismissed as being in my self interest.

I doubt, though, that any opinions in this thread changed ANYONE's mind here, as is common to these threads in general. The flushing out of the facts/timeline was really all that was relevant to settling this dispute, and even though it is still a tad murky to some people, I think it did help Jason and Chris come to some sort of understanding, assuming that happened.

I wonder if the shoe was on the other foot regarding MM and Sheets, would Sheets be paying MM?

All this thread needs now is someone to come in saying Sheets owes him money and insist that MM pay him instead of Sheets, lol.

Knowing several of the players involved in this, CHRIS MONEYMAKER DO NOT PAY A CENT TO ANYONE. It is not your responsibility to be bullied by Sheets or anyone else into paying off some of JY's debts. Chris was never going to be paid, and to be freerolled into paying off some of JY's debts via online intimidation is insane.

WTF are you talking about??? Asani's timeline indicates your boy was free rolling CM all along. And many of us do hope that this fact does change CM's mind about this whole cluster ****. And dude, you should take it down a notch. I'm not saying that you are starting to come across like a scumbug desperate for his money. But you are flirting with that line when you conveniently skip over the facts.

So let me get this straight...

Jason Young is illegally operating a sports book or illegally an agent for a sports book.

JY used 2+2 to solicit business.

JY acquired a # of sports bettors via 2+2.

When somebody didn't pay (Moneymaker), he used the 2+2 forums as a way to pressure an individual into payment.

Lots of criminal activity here advertised in a public forum.

Tough crowd

Totally agree.....If Chris does not feel he owes any money, he shouldn't pay Jason's debts.

sheets (bully)

p.s. GEE THANKS ALOT JASON FOR CALLING MY ATTENTION TO THIS THREAD AND ASKING ME TO POST WHAT I KNEW. I am going to vote 1000 times against you in the poll just for spite

Way to skip over the facts again. Oh and if CM is willing to pay this extortion money out, I would hope you are not the only beneficiary. Lets hope many more of JY's victims come forward to claim their piece of the settlement. There is absolutely no reason you should be first in line or get the largest slice. Why not pay off Asanni in full first????

Well this is sort of what I told Chris on the phone....even if Chris did decide to pay Jason, it is not as simple as "oh ok i will just pay xyz"....because there are many others in the same boat who are owed money from Jason (like the kid who was alerted to the thread) would want to get paid sooner as well.

10000% agree with this.