Umm - remind me again why you are bring four parties into your analogy (credit cardholder, Visa, China and the Furniture store) when MM and JY's situation involves three (MM, JY and JY's creditors)?

Yappingyoda's analogy is so much more on the mark than yours it's not funny

Chris your thought process of hearing Jason owes other people money so you decide not to pay says a lot about you. I know it's solved but I'm guessing your character is a POS

I pointed out in my post that my analogy sucks, it was more an attempt to point out what the other analogy was lacking. The 4th party has to be brought in because in the first situation visa actually pays (this would be akin to Jason being able to pay if moneymaker won the bet, in which case MM would clearly owe the money). But, since it appears Jason was insolvent at the time, a better example is Visa appearing to be able to pay at the time of the transaction, but come collection time it is made clear that Visa never had the ability to pay so nothing was gained by the cardholder/moneymaker, and no money is owed.

Anyways, I'd be fine with taking both of these analogies and lighting them on fire and going back to the point of the thread though. Just thought his logic was lollllll.

I always feel like this when arguing on the internet. Kind of like that Louis CK bit about the kid asking "why?". Like this tangent has gone on way too long and we need to hit reset button.

Explain this to me... If you find out after the fact you're getting freerolled why should you settle up?

Him owing other people money is totally irrelevant. When visa provides a service, there is no chance visa will owe him money so as long as the service was rendered they owe the money. The service JY offered however had the potential to owe CM money at a later date, and since JY was unable to perform this service some % of the time he was thus not offering the service as advertised. So a better analogy would be you go into a store, use your visa card, the card does not get authorized and visa doesn't promise the store to pay them back. The cardholder now can't purchase what he wants to purchase so goes home. He then looks at his bill and that charge is on there and visa still wants him to pay for a service they didn't render, much like JY did not render the service of offering a legit bet in which he would pay out if he lost.

Jason=scumbag, skeevy, skeezy, shady, sketchy

Moneymaker don't give this bum a cent

no. The fact is you stated earlier that no one legitimate was coming forth about debts that Jason Young owed (proving he was insolvent) - then sheets and now assani speak up for small bets as little as 1k and 8k (and only paid back 500, and assani admits JY has not kept in contact).

You are so pro-chris young in this thread it's almost disgusting. You either know him in some manner, have some agenda, or are a troll. There is no way anyone who bets sports would think this is an equitable outcome for Chris.

Wow Chris I am totally shocked that you decided to pay JYoung anything before you confirmed he wasn't freerolling you. The guy hadn't responded to anyone's questions in over 3-4 days and you still made an agreement??? Look at Assani's posts that he couldn't collect $2k from JYoung FOR 18 MONTHS as the most recent example.

The only winners here are Sheets and Jason Young because all this "outing" did was pressure you into some kind of payment deal. Unfortunately, if you had won I can almost guarantee you wouldn't have seen a dollar of that money. You would have been added to the list that Jason owes and imo it is probably a long one.

Oh well, it's your money MM.

Jason himself stated he owed money, that was never a question. Even with assani and sheets coming forward it doesn't prove Jason was insolvent at the time the bets took place (April). If the person who contacted Chris came forward and confirmed he was owed back in March/April then yeah, it would prove Jason was freerolling/scamming.

AK87 who Chris called on already stated he was owed money in October and not earlier as Chris has indicated.

assani won his bet against jason the night of april-25-12

he is still owed 2k+ (16 month last 25)

therefore, jason was insolvent by the time he took chris' action, and freerolling him


*he apparently didnt keep in touch with assani, and gave him the run around the couple of times he could contact him.

My first post ITT.

Chris with the new Assani information you really need to AT LEAST reconsider your decision. The minimum that you should require from JY is he answer a detailed list of questions about his debts and timelines of these debts when he was booking you. I would also demand the bookies name. Lastly make it clear that one lie, half truth or misrepresentation when answering these questions and he gets nothing.

If he won't do this tell him to get lost

+10000000000000

Since Jason makes the restaurant name/location public on his Twitter profile, it's obviously not a secret.

The restaurant is The Turn in Suffern, NY.

Here is a link to the Yelp reviews:

http://www.yelp.com/biz/the-turn-res...nd-bar-suffern

They are very mixed.

At first glance, they look overall pretty good, with a lot of 5-star ones. However, those are only 12 reviews. The other 30 are filtered. You need to click the "30 filtered" link near the bottom-left to see the rest of the reviews.

FYI, Yelp filters reviews in order to keep out shills and competing business owners, but the filter is overaggressive and basically shuts out anyone with very little other activity on Yelp.

The filtered reviews are also mixed, but lean a lot more negative than the 12 non-filtered ones.

The consensus of the negative reviews are:

- Overpriced

- Weird idiosyncrasies with the service, especially when you first arive

- Noisy

- Portions too small


People seem to like the restaurant's look, and overall the reviews on the food taste is mixed.

It is not clear how much Jason owns of this place. It's very possible he only has a small percentage.

Still hoping MM thinks this over again. I kinda hate how Sheets weaseled his way into the thread and obviously sided with JY even though deep down inside he probably knows JYvis in the wrong. Anything for $$

MM v JY

Should have tried to collect the 5k the first week. Then JY wouldn't be saying anything.

Apparently you didn't bother reading assani's post.

what in the **** relevance do the yelp reviews have to this situation???

also LOLOLOLOLOL at kilowatt nominating himself to be an impartial arbiter when he has been vocally pro CM and anti JY for the duration of this thread.

let me be perfectly clear i am not taking a side in this situation. my LOL'ing at kilowatt is not an attack on CM nor a defense of JY.