Uhhhh....post #389:

Are you even reading the thread? Take your level 1 knee jerk logic elsewhere.

Winnings paid by Lock> Money owed by Chino Rheem > Bets owed by Chris Moneymaker> Bookmaking payouts by JY ......although this is a tough foursome to separate.

It is all very convenient for MM to say that after he had lost the bet in question with JY, he came across some information that led him to believe that JY could not satisfy his losing bets and he should therefore not have to pay.

Not saying his chronology of events isn't true, just convenient and suits his purpose of not wanting to pay.

You have a point, but nobody has sprouted up besides JY saying CM owes them money. But you do have people sprouting up saying JY owes them money.

Just saying. JY looks way worse here then CM in my eyes.

I think that should be taken into consideration.

Chris should pay the debt.

Here is a good example that will prove above stated.

Let's say...Week 1 Chris wins $2,000 and collects. Week 2 Chris loses $10,000 and hears that Jason owes money to other players and decides not to pay him.

What Jason and Sheets has going on is none of anyones business and not apart of this deal.

If 10+ people came forward that Jason owes them money regarding sports then it's a different story.

Chris has delayed paying because he doesn't want to pay and now has found a reason not to pay. He trusted Jason enough to take his action so he should pay what he owes and then part ways.

CASE CLOSED.

If you choose to gamble large sums of money, then do it with a reputable, professional sports book. There are plenty out there with zero risk of being angled, so why did you need to go to a guy like Jason to make bets? You didn't need to, but you chose to, and regardless of if you think you were being free-rolled, this is a judgement you should have made before making the bet, not after.

Pay the man Chris, you lost your bet. You should learn from this, and hopefully if you can get this debt paid off soon you will be able to move on with your reputation intact, and think carefully about who you gamble with in future.

A lot of sports bettors are a bit sick. I really think the game of owing people money and people owing them is half the fun. They secretly love the drama that comes with it, just like this thread. It would be no fun if they bet $500 online and someone they didn't know sent them a check in the mail a couple days later.

thats not how the sports book world works. freerolling is a no-no.

Well I don't get it, Chris should be living the good life, not getting tangled up in scandal over a dodgy $15k bet!

ive been in this exact situation before and ended up paying and still regret it.

you were not going to get payed if you won. please dont pay.

This would obviously be the first instance of someone binking a huge score and degenning it off somehow, further being unable to pay their debts. Not sure how he isn't living the good life as we speak.

I believe level 1 knee jerk logic is a compliment itt ? Yes I read it cover to cover bubbles! My comments were not addressed to MM fanboys so gtfo.

i understand you are biased in this but come on.

it seems pretty obvious that jason was scamming everyone betting with him.

you are waiting a year to get paid. how can you say he is not scamming?

Isn't sports betting (with or without a bookie) illegal?

That is why it hasn't gone to court.

Nobody ever thought of using a PPH?

How is it obvious that Jason was scamming people? Do you have any proof there wasn't a bookie in March/April? Chris has ZERO proof of the following:

If Jason did in fact owe this person (who for some reason we haven't heard from) then yeah, Jason can be accused of freerolling/scamming(?) but there hasn't really been any concrete evidence presented by either side.

I don't understand why you wouldn't keep a record of this Skype message given that it appears to be so crucial to your case of not having to pay JY on the grounds of being allegedly freerolled?

That is, unless it is made up or didn't actually occur in April but later on in the year which further undermines your decision to not pay him immediately when you lost.

the proof is probably that the 18k thing wasnt disputed at all by Young. Atleast I dont think ive seen that. So if its bull**** why wouldnt he say so?

Well it appears to me that JY has not confronted many if any of MM assertions but simply makes his case with these two contentions:

1. MM lost, so he automatically owes him the money (the actual amount is in dispute though, so perhaps that would need some independent arbitration to resolve); and
2. That MM gave him a promise at Vegas that he would be paid back to which MM has since then failed to respond to as to its accuracy.

And it should also be said that after JY made this assertion about the promise, MM started to call for private arbitration. Is that an implicit reading of guilt?

I got in trouble in 5th grade catholic school for playing (and winning) shooting dimes and quarters closest to the wall. A buddy and I totally owned.

This.

Chris has Hollywood #Cbus money which is obv > Stars money.

Isn't this a zero sum thing? Chris admits to gambling and losing $15k. Simply put, he should pay $15k. Put it in escrow and let the people who Jason owes divide it equitably. Saying "I was being freerolled so I'm not going to pay" is really lame. What you mean is "I got lucky that I didn't get freerolled out of $15k so I'm using that as an excuse to go back on my word and ruin my reputation".

Chris- you should understand that it's better for you to be known as a guy who was freerolled out of $15k than a guy who welched on $15k worth of bets. Withholding the $ you owe hurts guys like sheets more than it hurts Jason. DUCY?

yeah thats probably accurate aswell.

I remember from first reading the thread mm said he stalled, avoided payment because he heard about the debts. thats probably his excuse for promising payment. But indeed its not a normal line to take if you think a guy is scamming you.

btw I just now read that reply again from young thats added in the OP. He basically does say MM is full of ****.

Can someone please explain how MM wasn't being freerolled by JY? It has been proven that JY had zero intention or the ability to payout if MM had won. It seems ludicrous to me that people want MM to pay so JY can payoff gambling debt he accrued by failing at free rolling scam.

Maybe I'm not seeing something.

Nope.

Legal without a bookie