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Old 04-29-2009, 12:46 PM   #51
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

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Get a VPN, problem solved.
would this really work iam wondering?
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:51 PM   #52
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

If the speech in question is protected speech, then blocking internet access to it is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment. Not all speech is protected. Obscenity, for example, is not protected speech. Commercial speech is less protected than other forms of expression.

Bottom line: Actual gambling (or playing poker since that may or may not be gambling depending on the legal definition of gambling being used) is not "protected speech.' Talking about playing poker is protected speech.

The remaining issue is thus whether blocking access to an entire site where both protected speech and non-protected play occur violates the amendment.

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Old 04-29-2009, 12:59 PM   #53
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

Send letters boys. That's all we can do at the moment. PPA has pre prepared letters sent mine today.

http://capwiz.com/pokerplayersalliance/home/

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Old 04-29-2009, 01:01 PM   #54
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A press release from the Minnesota
Jesse Ventura, Al Franken and now this. I'm glad some state has taken on the challenge of knocking NJ off the title of most ridiculous state.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:10 PM   #55
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Can someone confirm this is true?
It's true.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:12 PM   #56
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

didnt this same thing happen with the australian government too? whatever happened with that?
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:14 PM   #57
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Get a VPN, problem solved.
The issues of basic liberty and of us having our rights would not be.

I don't wish to feel like a criminal when I'm not one. I hope we'll all take a stand here.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:15 PM   #58
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Just another reason to move to Texas. This state is so redic some times.
If Minn. gets away with this, what would stop Texas from being next?
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:15 PM   #59
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I just communicated with Pappas on this issue. PPA is on it.

I recommend everyone in Minn. contact Gov. Pawlenty and their state reps to express disapproval. Everyone should also write to their U.S. reps to express their support for our rights. The PPA letters are at http://capwiz.com/pokerplayersalliance/home/.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:17 PM   #60
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An optimistic guess: It probably means we won't be able to go to www.[pokersite].com. Wouldn't software clients use ip addresses that are different than their www?
Probably, but I hope we'll all focus first about fighting for our rights than on how to sneak around it.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:23 PM   #61
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

Jesse Ventura would never have let this happened. Now we're screwed. Time to find John Willems, kick him in the nutz, and tell him to mind his own ****ing business.

This is the best:

"Also, I've had people call me and say they've lost $20,000; can I help them? I can't."

Oh - so if I go to Canterbury & dump $20k you'll be able to help me? LOLZ.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:26 PM   #62
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If Minn. gets away with this, what would stop Texas from being next?

Cause it's Texas and not this bleeding heart we know whats best for you state. Plus how they gonna ban poker when the god father uses there state in his name?


I have sent letters and personally contacted my reps, senators, and governor Pawlenty.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:27 PM   #63
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

So....

Are we blaming this one on the Republicans too?
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:29 PM   #64
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"Written notice was served to AT&T Internet Services, San Antonio; Charter Communications, St. Louis; Comcast Cable, Moorestown, N.J.; Direct TV, Los Angeles; Dish Network, Englewood., Colo.; Embarq and Sprint/Nextel, both of Overland Park, Kan.; Frontier Communications, Stamford, Conn.; Qwest, Denver; Verizon Wireless, Bedminster, N.J.; and Wildblue Communications, Greenwood Village, Colo."

sigh.

anyone know of any aircards that aren't part of those companies? even so, how would those companies recognize that your IP address is from MN? I was under the impression that the aircards create the IP address via a satellite or something? If anyone could explain that'd be greatly appreciated...now a $70 aircard doesn't sound too bad
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:29 PM   #65
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Jesse Ventura would never have let this happened. Now we're screwed. .

Jesse was terrible for the state besides his vehicle tag tax reduction but I do agree that he would have fought this tooth and nail. He was closer to the people than any of the ill elected people in my districts.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:31 PM   #66
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So....

Are we blaming this one on the Republicans too?
MN has a republican governor and he appoints the person that made this decision.

not that it matters but just on a moron hunt today apparently.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:32 PM   #67
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**** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Son of a ****ing *****!

I will definitely be doing everything I can here. I live in Minnesota and payed in 6 figures worth of state and federal taxes for playing online poker here last year! I don't want to move (have a great life and tons of friends here), but I will if I have to. I am in complete shock.

FWIW, I have been a member of the PPA for a long time and send all letters that I am asked to or see here. I will get as many people as I can who live here to send that letter. The Engineer, please PM me or post with anything else I can do. I will go around town putting up fliers with the link to the letter on it if it will help!

I will x-post this in the legislation forum since I assume there is a thread there too.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:35 PM   #68
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

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can't believe it's 2009 and a new president and we're still fighting/debating this in America... THAT is sad
That's how I feel too. I thought Obama was going to fix this. Isn't that what everyone said?

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So....

Are we blaming this one on the Republicans too?
I assume so. Minnesota is by far one of the most Republican states in the country I think, right?

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Old 04-29-2009, 01:36 PM   #69
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I assume so. Minnesota is by far one of the most Republican states in the country I think, right?

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Umm... no.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:39 PM   #70
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

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That's how I feel too. I thought Obama was going to fix this. Isn't that what everyone said?



I assume so. Minnesota is by far one of the most Republican states in the country I think, right?

Mark

Uh no. Minnesota is not a republican state by any means. They have a moderate GOP governor who barely won re-election in 2006, and Obama won by double digits there. It's also the only state that never went for Ronald Reagan, one of America's great presidents.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:39 PM   #71
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

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If the speech in question is protected speech, then blocking internet access to it is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment. Not all speech is protected. Obscenity, for example, is not protected speech. Commercial speech is less protected than other forms of expression.

Bottom line: Actual gambling (or playing poker since that may or may not be gambling depending on the legal definition of gambling being used) is not "protected speech.' Talking about playing poker is protected speech.

The remaining issue is thus whether blocking access to an entire site where both protected speech and non-protected play occur violates the amendment.

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As I understand it something would need to be proven illegal to qualify as an illegal act. Poker has not been proven to be such and the UIEGA does not make playing poker illegal as we all know. So therefore your ISP would be blocking you from something that is completely legal.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:40 PM   #72
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

Glad to see all the activity in this thread. I was hoping their words wouldn't fall upon deaf ears.

Of course if the bill gets passed, this all should be irrelevant, but that's besides the point.

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Response from the notified ISPs is expected within two to three weeks, at which time issues of non-compliance will be referred to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC).
This is the first thing i'm trying to find out. I'v been trying to contact some of the providers, and seeing if they have heard anything about this, and if they are going to comply. No luck yet... any help would be appreciated.


We're not going down without a fight. I don't think they have a true idea of the kind of fury this is going to bring down on them. But if we can stop this before it goes into effect, all the better.

Thanks for everyone's support. Especially the non-Minnesotans.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:41 PM   #73
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Probably good news for everyone else still playing limit hold em online, at least.
My working hypothesis is St1ckman and the Russians paid off MN state officials to try to make this happen.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:43 PM   #74
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

I still very strongly feel that in order to reestablish consumer confidence AND head off the almost certainly pending US Govt action, the Online Gaming Providers need to band together and declare themselves an organized INDUSTRY. They need to establish standards, guidelines, testing procedures, security protocols, privacy guidelines...

Then they need to run - not walk - to the US Govt and show them their progress and then PLEAD for regulation. I suppose it could be the EU instead of the US Govt, but I think the only way to ensure that the US Govt doesn't act in a punitive manner is to let them set the rules. In no way am I saying the the US Govt is better than others (at least not in this debate), and I do not tend to be trusting of my or any other government, I just think that OL Poker is gonna need to do something desperate to stay in business.

Clearly this is just my assessment and I welcome any rational debate.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:44 PM   #75
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And I am assuming you are refering to efforts of the Children’s Internet Protection Act (CIPA) to require Public Schools and Public Libraries to Filter Internet content. Ultimately, I believe, the Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that CIPA did not violate the First Amendment.

But I'd sincerely welcome other Rulings or Judgments which define access to the Internet as a First Amendment Right, as I would love little more than to have my limited knowledge and assumptions be proven ignorant on this topic.
lol, PUBLIC schools and PUBLIC libraries.

In my home I do indeed have the ability to do legal activity. The UIEGA did not make playing online poker or gambling illegal. For an ISP to block an internet gaming site they would have to know for certain that the activity they are blocking is illegal.

You said that poker is not a free speech issue. I am saying that it will be argued as such.

You may be in the wrong forums is my guess, maybe you were looking for gardening or something. Here we are pro poker and for freedoms.
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