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Old 04-29-2009, 11:45 AM   #26
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

My step dad works for a well known Minnesota bank and on New Years Eve in 2004 a woman hit an online progressive slot jackpot for $1,000,000. She began systematically deposting cash from her casino account into her checking account. The bank became aware after she had depositied about $600,000. and seized her account siting the fact that online gambling is illegal. The bank's legal department later determined that they did not want to test the legal waters and returned the money to her and instructed her to never open an account with their bank ever again. Hopefully the ISPs will challenge the state's attempt to block one of our personal freedoms. Minnesota truely is the Can't do state.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:45 AM   #27
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the day canterbury is tough will be the day poker is dead.
id be nice if running aces went down though..
well im a net losing player. to me all poker games are tough
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:45 AM   #28
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can i get around this by using my blackberry as a modem (verizon broadband something) or buying an aircard? theyre only restricing certain ISPs right? so by using an aircard I won't be using the MN IP address? am i wrong?

xposted in the other thread
not sure about your blackberry, but it seems like they have verizon, sprint, and at&t on the list. im not sure if there are any country wide or local air card networks they missed.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:48 AM   #29
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the end user is not breaking any laws and the laws they are attempting to enforce are vague at best. AFLCIO will wear these people out.
I don't think that the American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations is going to get involved here...
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:49 AM   #30
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An optimistic guess: It probably means we won't be able to go to www.[pokersite].com. Wouldn't software clients use ip addresses that are different than their www?
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:54 AM   #31
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

Time to organize a petition and submit it to our local legislators. Fight government with government imo.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:55 AM   #32
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lol i just wanted to sleep after playing overnight, now i just keep going and doing something for a few minutes and then coming back and hitting refresh in a big cycle.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:57 AM   #33
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An optimistic guess: It probably means we won't be able to go to www.[pokersite].com. Wouldn't software clients use ip addresses that are different than their www?
this sounds right to me.

still sucks big time though.
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:02 PM   #34
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w t f this better not be true
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:11 PM   #35
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An optimistic guess: It probably means we won't be able to go to www.[pokersite].com. Wouldn't software clients use ip addresses that are different than their www?
The thing is the average Joe looking to play poker reads this stuff and doesn't bother to do the next step of analysis. Just as they don't look into the ways to deposit $ on-line. Just as they get scared by each cheating scandal.

Each headline like this scares away literally THOUSANDS of current and potential players. Soon all that will be left on line are players who are serious enough to circumvent the barriers.
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:16 PM   #36
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

There is a chance that this doesn't include poker-only sites.
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:17 PM   #37
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The thing is the average Joe looking to play poker reads this stuff and doesn't bother to do the next step of analysis. Just as they don't look into the ways to deposit $ on-line. Just as they get scared by each cheating scandal.

Each headline like this scares away literally THOUSANDS of current and potential players. Soon all that will be left on line are players who are serious enough to circumvent the barriers.
But it will be the average MN Joe.
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:21 PM   #38
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There is a chance that this doesn't include poker-only sites.
Hopefully that is the case. Also it is worth noting that on the bottom of every internet poker television commercial it states that " this is not a gambling site " so maybe the sites have a loophole in place. Maybe it is time to purchase a bar in Wisco devoted strictly to online gaming or get a group of investors together and buy St.Croix Meadows and start the legislative battle for Off Res gaming.
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:23 PM   #39
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But it will be the average MN Joe.
You have no idea how many fish this state provides to you guys online. The gamblor is in our blood here and KJ off suit UTG is the nuts to most of them.
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:24 PM   #40
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The thing is the average Joe looking to play poker reads this stuff and doesn't bother to do the next step of analysis. Just as they don't look into the ways to deposit $ on-line. Just as they get scared by each cheating scandal.

Each headline like this scares away literally THOUSANDS of current and potential players. Soon all that will be left on line are players who are serious enough to circumvent the barriers.
Very true. Didn't mean to marginalize the fact that news like this is bad. My post was just looking at the effect it would have on Minnesotans like me (if it will force us to change isps or get a vpn)
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:24 PM   #41
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not sure about your blackberry, but it seems like they have verizon, sprint, and at&t on the list. im not sure if there are any country wide or local air card networks they missed.
"Written notice was served to AT&T Internet Services, San Antonio; Charter Communications, St. Louis; Comcast Cable, Moorestown, N.J.; Direct TV, Los Angeles; Dish Network, Englewood., Colo.; Embarq and Sprint/Nextel, both of Overland Park, Kan.; Frontier Communications, Stamford, Conn.; Qwest, Denver; Verizon Wireless, Bedminster, N.J.; and Wildblue Communications, Greenwood Village, Colo."

sigh.

anyone know of any aircards that aren't part of those companies? even so, how would those companies recognize that your IP address is from MN? I was under the impression that the aircards create the IP address via a satellite or something? If anyone could explain that'd be greatly appreciated...now a $70 aircard doesn't sound too bad
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:25 PM   #42
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Hopefully that is the case. Also it is worth noting that on the bottom of every internet poker television commercial it states that " this is not a gambling site " so maybe the sites have a loophole in place. Maybe it is time to purchase a bar in Wisco devoted strictly to online gaming or get a group of investors together and buy St.Croix Meadows and start the legislative battle for Off Res gaming.
The sites always advertise .NET, which is play money only. However when most people remember a website they use .COM, so they'll remember PokerStars and go to .COM and end up on the real PS website. It wouldn't affect them blocking the sites.
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:27 PM   #43
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Not certain, but I don't think Poker is a First Amendment Right.
access to the internet has been judged to be so. Look it up before you expose yourself as a moron.
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:27 PM   #44
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A press release from the Minnesota Department of Public Safety:

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The Minnesota Department of Public Safety (DPS) Alcohol and Gambling Enforcement Division (AGED) today announced that it has served written notice to 11 national and regional telephone and Internet service providers (ISPs) instructing them to prohibit access of all Minnesota-based computers to nearly 200 online gambling websites. Online gambling is illegal in all U.S. states.

Written notice was served to AT&T Internet Services, San Antonio; Charter Communications, St. Louis; Comcast Cable, Moorestown, N.J.; Direct TV, Los Angeles; Dish Network, Englewood., Colo.; Embarq and Sprint/Nextel, both of Overland Park, Kan.; Frontier Communications, Stamford, Conn.; Qwest, Denver; Verizon Wireless, Bedminster, N.J.; and Wildblue Communications, Greenwood Village, Colo.

“We are putting site operators and Minnesota online gamblers on notice and in advance,” says John Willems, director of AGED. “Disruption of these sites’ cash flow will negatively impact their business models. State residents with online escrow accounts should be aware that access to their accounts may be jeopardized and their funds in peril.”

Believed the first attempt by a state to employ this federal statute to restrict access to online gambling sites, the letters cites U.S. Code, Title 18, Section 1084, (d); notices were delivered Mon., April 27. Congress enacted the statute in 1961 in recognition of the need for states to control illegal gambling activities and granted authority for use of the statue to state law enforcement agencies.

Response from the notified ISPs is expected within two to three weeks, at which time issues of non-compliance will be referred to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). Acknowledging the effort as an initial sample, Willems anticipates the program expanding to address thousands of sites, depending on compliance. He notes that the required technology to restrict geographic access to particular sites is a relatively straightforward procedure on the part of service providers.

In the written notices, AGED also provided the sites’ telephone numbers and requested access to those numbers by Minnesotans to be prohibited. For more than two decades, telecoms have shut down telephone numbers at the request of law enforcement agencies when believed to be involved in illegal activities, such as sports book-making telephone numbers.

“In Minnesota, and for Minnesotans, the primary issues are legality, state self-governance and accountability,” says Willems. “In broader context, the long-running debate on online gambling continues to raise significant issues, including absence of policy and regulation, individual rights, societal impact, international fair-trade practices, and funding for criminal and terrorist organizations.”
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:27 PM   #45
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Re: Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites.

Also, LOL at using terrorism as an excuse.

I'd say there's a better chance of buying something off ebay and having the money end up in Bin Laden's bank account than my rake at Stars and Tilt going toward funding terrorist activities.
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:28 PM   #46
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I wonder if they'll start banning books again too because they're a public safety concern. I didn't know MN was still in the 1800's.
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:32 PM   #47
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Response from the notified ISPs is expected within two to three weeks, at which time issues of non-compliance will be referred to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). Acknowledging the effort as an initial sample, Willems anticipates the program expanding to address thousands of sites, depending on compliance. He notes that the required technology to restrict geographic access to particular sites is a relatively straightforward procedure on the part of service providers.
so they don't have to comply then?

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Old 04-29-2009, 12:34 PM   #48
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access to the internet has been judged to be so. Look it up before you expose yourself as a moron.

Gee. Then I guess the AFL-CIO will be all over this.
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:43 PM   #49
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The gamblor is in our blood here and KJ ... is the nuts to most of them.
How quickly the forgot about KG.
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:44 PM   #50
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access to the internet has been judged to be so. Look it up before you expose yourself as a moron.
And I am assuming you are refering to efforts of the Children’s Internet Protection Act (CIPA) to require Public Schools and Public Libraries to Filter Internet content. Ultimately, I believe, the Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that CIPA did not violate the First Amendment.

But I'd sincerely welcome other Rulings or Judgments which define access to the Internet as a First Amendment Right, as I would love little more than to have my limited knowledge and assumptions be proven ignorant on this topic.
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