Minnesota to Prohibit Access Between Residents and Gambling Sites. - Page 4 - Poker News

I still very strongly feel that in order to reestablish consumer confidence AND head off the almost certainly pending US Govt action, the Online Gaming Providers need to band together and declare themselves an organized INDUSTRY. They need to establish standards, guidelines, testing procedures, security protocols, privacy guidelines...

Then they need to run - not walk - to the US Govt and show them their progress and then PLEAD for regulation. I suppose it could be the EU instead of the US Govt, but I think the only way to ensure that the US Govt doesn't act in a punitive manner is to let them set the rules. In no way am I saying the the US Govt is better than others (at least not in this debate), and I do not tend to be trusting of my or any other government, I just think that OL Poker is gonna need to do something desperate to stay in business.

Clearly this is just my assessment and I welcome any rational debate.

this is the type of action from the people you want to regulate us. No thank you.

You should be arguing for a repeal of the UIEGA and rational debate from your legislators. Any attack on any basic freedom is un-American and should be treated as such.

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04-29-2009 , 01:49 PM

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Rich Muny

Former PPA President

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Originally Posted by Fur

Cause it's Texas and not this bleeding heart we know whats best for you state. Plus how they gonna ban poker when the god father uses there state in his name?

I hope that leads to legalized Texas land-based card rooms. Unfortunately, we have ample opposition from those who'd legislate their ideas of morality.

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04-29-2009 , 01:51 PM

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Dogboy714

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Originally Posted by NOSUP4U

That's how I feel too. I thought Obama was going to fix this. Isn't that what everyone said?

I assume so. Minnesota is by far one of the most Republican states in the country I think, right?

Mark

We are one of only a few states that Mondale carried in 1984 and Dukakis in 1988. Soooo... No.

And when we do elect Republicans, we make sure they are extra ******ed. See Michelle Bachmann on youtube. "CO2 is nothing to fear! It's natural!"

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04-29-2009 , 01:53 PM

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beanie

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Originally Posted by Dogboy714

last I checked we have a Republican governor who appointed the head of this committee.

Though I doubt any of that matters a great deal the PPA has done a fine job trying to bring in some of the people on the right.

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04-29-2009 , 01:55 PM

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Pot Odds RAC

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Originally Posted by beanie

lol, PUBLIC schools and PUBLIC libraries.

In my home I do indeed have the ability to do legal activity. The UIEGA did not make playing online poker or gambling illegal. For an ISP to block an internet gaming site they would have to know for certain that the activity they are blocking is illegal.

You said that poker is not a free speech issue. I am saying that it will be argued as such.

You may be in the wrong forums is my guess, maybe you were looking for gardening or something. Here we are pro poker and for freedoms.

Dude.

Seriously.

You didn't say it would be argued as such - You stated that Internet Access had been judged to be a First Amendment Right. I honestly assumed you were referring to CIPA. If you have other examples I'd sincerely like to hear them.

Or you can continue calling me a "moron" and wait for the AFL-CIO to take up your cause.

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04-29-2009 , 01:55 PM

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aarono2690

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We should create a poker militia...

but I wanna kick politicians in the nuts who think 18 year olds should not drink legally and we do not know how to use our own money.

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04-29-2009 , 01:59 PM

#83

Pot Odds RAC

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Originally Posted by beanie

To assume that a multibillion dollar industry can remain unregulated is naive. Furthermore to preserve the industry I believe it MUST be regulated.

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04-29-2009 , 01:59 PM

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Rich Muny

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Originally Posted by beanie

PPA is trying to bring in people from the right, left, and middle. Hopefully we'll get a majority together.

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04-29-2009 , 02:02 PM

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Gramps

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The irony in all of this is that an individual gambling online probably isn't doing anything "illegal," but states who regulate said commerce in some form probably are...

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04-29-2009 , 02:03 PM

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ne14dirt

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Originally Posted by dibbs

Probably good news for everyone else still playing limit hold em online, at least.

Funny thing is that this is the first thing I thought of when I read op.

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04-29-2009 , 02:04 PM

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Pot Odds RAC

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Originally Posted by beanie

You may be in the wrong forums is my guess, maybe you were looking for gardening or something. Here we are pro poker and for freedoms.

And as far as being in the "wrong forum" - I didn't think so. I sort of thought that having a different way to address the problem might be accepted as part of the debate. I am clearly "Pro Poker" (but certainly not a pro poker player!) and for freedoms - I just disagree with you on some of your basic premises. If you can't understand that, then you're not going to do a very good job of representing your point of view to a wider audience and frankly I don't want you representing me as a member of the poker society.

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04-29-2009 , 02:13 PM

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deeshen13

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Here is contact information for the Governor, Tim Pawlenty. Let our voices be heard.

email: tim.pawlenty@state.mn.us

telephone: 651-296-3391
toll free: 1-800-657-3717
fax: 651-296-2089

Contact him asap.

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04-29-2009 , 02:17 PM

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slimhoss

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Originally Posted by TheEngineer

I just communicated with Pappas on this issue. PPA is on it.

I recommend everyone in Minn. contact Gov. Pawlenty and their state reps to express disapproval. Everyone should also write to their U.S. reps to express their support for our rights. The PPA letters are at http://capwiz.com/pokerplayersalliance/home/.

letter emailed. it's a real slick system they have set up on the site guys, very easy, took me literally 2 minutes. Thank you PPA. This news really grinds my gears.

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04-29-2009 , 02:19 PM

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kingpin023

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So ****ing standard. I just moved here 3 months ago and have a 16 month lease. lasdfnoaivneio;lanevil;nabs

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04-29-2009 , 02:21 PM

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Loggjaw

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I sent that pre-written letter, I would also be willing to help do what ever it takes.

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04-29-2009 , 02:22 PM

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LetsGambool

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Given Pawlenty's national ambitions, e-mails from players in other states saying he's lost their vote in a Republican primary if this action goes through is probably helpful as well.

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04-29-2009 , 02:26 PM

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Barrasso

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So ****ing standard. I just moved here 3 months ago and have a 16 month lease. lasdfnoaivneio;lanevil;nabs

Are you from Somalia?

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04-29-2009 , 02:28 PM

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GBP04

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oh ya, you betcha there

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04-29-2009 , 02:36 PM

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kingpin023

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Are you from Somalia?

Umm, no?

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04-29-2009 , 02:42 PM

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beanie

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Originally Posted by Pot Odds RAC

You are for regulation I am unsure. Mostly I would just like the government to leave my freedoms alone.

If regulation ultimately does happen I would not be against it if it were under the right conditions. You calling for the card rooms to crawl at the feet of the government and beg for forgiveness is ridiculous.

Americans buy goods from billion dollar companies all the time without regulation. We live in a world wide economy.

Ok, you got me on the whole splitting hairs thing. ISP blocking is not common as you seem to be suggesting. It will indeed be argued as a free speech issue given that playing online poker is not an illegal activity.

Better?

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04-29-2009 , 02:43 PM

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bicyclekick

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As pros (people willing to jump through hoops) this will just be fairly annoying. I messed around with VPN's around the uiega and it wasn't particularly hard to do.

It's still major bull**** and so weird that it seemingly came out of nowhere.

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04-29-2009 , 02:44 PM

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Fur

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Originally Posted by TheEngineer

I hope that leads to legalized Texas land-based card rooms. Unfortunately, we have ample opposition from those who'd legislate their ideas of morality.

I understand your point and have done as requested. I just believe that Texas would be one of the last states to try a trick like this even with the amount of Bible thumpers still residing in the state. However I am no where as close to in the loop as you are and appreciate your efforts and work whole heartedly.

It fits the modus operandi of the state of MN too a "T". I wonder at times why we have become so over governed and why they keep taking away our freedoms. This is only one step in a huge decline for this state that seemed to start 10-15 years ago.

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04-29-2009 , 02:48 PM

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LetsGambool

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I did hear back from the Electronic Frontier Foundation, they're looking into it but obviously dont have much beyond that at this point. They are at least aware of it. ACLU members should contact that organization as well.