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01-06-2022 , 03:34 AM
spencer, appreciate you making an account and responding, that takes a lot of guts given you already know whats been said about you here

we understand this below is indeed what happened:

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Originally Posted by spencercornelia

2) Everyone here appears to be an expert at poker and gambling. I am not. It's incredibly challenging to push someone in person when you're talking in their language. Could I have done better? Absolutely. There are probably some awesome questions I could have asked, but didn't on the spot because I'm not an expert and it was a new environment for me. If you expected better out of me, totally cool with that criticism. I usually don't have to really press someone in person on the spot. It's a skill I'd like to improve on.
but posting here saying you were out of your element and still learning is meaningless until you take down that video

i understand that's a big ask because that's like taking money out of your pocket, but you need to understand your culpability here

people who are going to get scammed will see your video and mistake it as proof it's legit, you're essentially enabling his criminal activity and signing off on it with neither the expertise to do so nor the hard evidence

it seems you understand the thing where a net loser can easily be up by a large amount at one casino while being down overall, but i should also mention that you can literally hire a guy on fiverr to make a fake app that appears to be a casino account statement or instagram dm thread - while i have no doubt that he could easily show genuine cherry picked statements or get a lot of attention via dms due to his following already being huge but you can also literally pay a very small amount of money to get bots posing as pretty girls to message you - in fact that's the default profile for bots

anyway, while i don't doubt he showed you real and cherry picked stuff, when he handed you the phone he first did a really weird thing of assuring you the phone and app was real, which felt odd because why would you say that, and then you open up instagram, remember he points it out to you (to make sure you tap the correct one) and then you say "only 16" which i assume is follower count and he immediately assures you it's a glitch - nope that literally doesn't happen, instagram has hundreds of the most talented engineers in the world, they don't have random glitches and if they did it'd be a big talking point, all the paris hiltons of the world would be tweeting screenshots of "lol i only have 16 followers"

the vid is time stamped and will start at that spot


i'm a relative nobody on quora and yet i get hit up with dozens of "hot girls" dming me there every month and they are all bots


but back to the point, if you keep up that video then it's pretty transparent that you're not really at all about trying to out scammers or anything like that and that your bottom line is view count, so long as you keep up that video and so long as you don't post a follow up explaining how you were plausibly (but not necessarily duped) then you're just chasing views imo without any genuine mission to out scammers

like he literally has posts on his socials asking for money from people and yet when he told you in person "nah i don't want to gamble with other people's money they just harass me" then why does he make posts asking for it? i was just dumbfounded you know about him asking for money but accepted to totally illogical statement of his that doesn't even hold up when you review his own "hey give me money" posts

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01-06-2022 , 03:41 AM
Yeah its not like in the second video you said oh well more unanswered questions I guess we will never know. You said Mikki is legit. You are known for calling out scammers and you say this one is legit. Anyone that sees that video and stakes Mikki those losses are on you. They are dumb af but you are partly to blame.
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01-06-2022 , 03:47 AM
I mean just look at the people in this thread alone that were immediately waving that video around like it was the flag of proof and vindication for Mikki.
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01-06-2022 , 04:49 AM
I once watched an interview with a self described "person of clout," which seems to fit Mikki's profile perfectly.
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01-06-2022 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by spencercornelia
Hey everyone, Spencer here, the guy who made the two YouTube videos about Mikki. Created an account to defend myself to a couple claims and provide more insight...

1) I'm totally cool with any and all criticism thrown my way. I wanted to make an interesting and entertaining video and show a different side of Mikki in hopes that we could get some more information out of him. I initially made a video doubting everything he's done and he wanted a chance to defend his claims and clarify a few things. I was cool with allowing him to speak more openly about some of his claims he made on the No Jumper podcast.
The issue with the 2nd video still being up is that being the con artist he is, he has spliced the most favorable parts and used it to add to his credibility. See here. Personally, if I were you, at the very least I would demand that he take this down. He effectively turned you into his personal hype man.

You may not realize it, but additional people are being scammed because of your second video and his edited version of it....likely millions of dollars. Rumor is he's down at least $10 million, of other people's money, in Vegas alone. So this is not a small criminal enterprise. It's a significant one, that is going to end very badly for him. Mikki is committing fraud on a daily basis. Soliciting a single dollar over the internet under the false premise that you can beat unbeatable casino games is a clear cut case of wire fraud. He's going to hit the wall, hard, and I don't think you want to be forever associated with him in Google search results when he does.

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01-06-2022 , 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
when he handed you the phone he first did a really weird thing of assuring you the phone and app was real, which felt odd because why would you say that, and then you open up instagram, remember he points it out to you (to make sure you tap the correct one) and then you say "only 16" which i assume is follower count and he immediately assures you it's a glitch - nope that literally doesn't happen, instagram has hundreds of the most talented engineers in the world, they don't have random glitches and if they did it'd be a big talking point, all the paris hiltons of the world would be tweeting screenshots of "lol i only have 16 followers"
Really good post in general Rickroll. I hadn't picked up on what you say regarding when Mikki hands over the phone but you are spot on. The way that it seems like he only has 16 followers and then when Spencer points this out Mikki doesn't miss a beat in saying it's a glitch. That is certainly very strange!
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01-06-2022 , 08:34 AM
@lwlee where is your God now?

@spencercornelia thanks for taking the time to present your side of the story. I figured that would be the end of it but as @rickroll and others have eloquently stated I have to agree that enabling a scammer while being a channel that revolves around exposing scammers is not a good look.

You are in the perfect position to give this fraud the final coup de grâce, if you will, with a third video.

2p2 boutta get some 4chan type clout let's go
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01-06-2022 , 09:42 AM
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like he literally has posts on his socials asking for money from people and yet when he told you in person "nah i don't want to gamble with other people's money they just harass me" then why does he make posts asking for it? i was just dumbfounded you know about him asking for money but accepted to totally illogical statement of his that doesn't even hold up when you review his own "hey give me money" posts[/B]
Spencer, I am a fan of your work but I agree with Rockroll's entire post but the bolded part was the most frustrating thing to watch you not address during his interview, even if you have no gambling knowledge this would be just common sense to address and screams scammer behavior. I agree with everyone else that since Spencer deemed Micki legit in his video and now thinking otherwise it would be completely irresponsible oh him to keep that video up.
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01-06-2022 , 10:01 AM
Spencer,
Great stuff on your channel. Watched your interviews and collab with CoffeeZilla and Graham Stephan.

I had noted that you weren't a gambling expert when everyone was attacking you after the video. You accomplished your goal of creating an entertaining video about Mikki. Unique character exploding on the gambling world.

I had referred to a great gambling documentary called Inside The Edge, concerning card counting, where a top professional experienced incredible swings even though he had a distinct advantage. So guessing whether Mikki is up or down would require getting a full accounting of his numbers. One of the great thing about Mikki is that he's absolutely open about all his stuff. Since you now have access to him, what not ask for a more complete accounting. His two largest source of income were gambling and healthcare. I for one would really love to know more about how he made a fortune in healthcare to be able to retire. Maybe have a 2nd interview were you can discuss these details and perhaps gamble with Mikki. Ideally he should be gambling with a sizable amount. If he's legit, he shouldn't have any problem gambling with his own money.

The other question is if he had big losses at a couple of casinos, then why he is banned everywhere? If you have an insider, maybe they can ask those casinos the full reason why Mikki is banned. There are certain cases where whales are banned but in general, casinos love losers. Or heck ask Mikki himself. You are losing why are you banned.

Concerning crypto, a recent instagram had him mentioning ELON. If you have crypto investigative resources like CoffeeZilla, maybe dig more into that. Did he really have a big influence on it?

It was obvious you spent a great deal of time with Mikki and you saw how open he was. A big contrast to all the scammers you have encountered, who have threatened and sued you. It would be great to see a second more nuanced interview now that you've gotten your bearings. I would suggest you contact Dan_Druff aka Todd Witteles who has his own poker fraud website, Poker Fraud Alert. He has a lot of experience with exposing poker frauds. He also has a 2 hour interview with Mikki coming up very soon. So it might behoove you to watch that, whether Mikki is vindicated or exposed, hopefully we will have more information after that interview. My biggest concern was how mob-like the people on this forum was attacking Mikki without more concrete evidence.

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Originally Posted by spencercornelia
Hey everyone, Spencer here, the guy who made the two YouTube videos about Mikki. Created an account to defend myself to a couple claims and provide more insight...

1) I'm totally cool with any and all criticism thrown my way. I wanted to make an interesting and entertaining video and show a different side of Mikki in hopes that we could get some more information out of him. I initially made a video doubting everything he's done and he wanted a chance to defend his claims and clarify a few things. I was cool with allowing him to speak more openly about some of his claims he made on the No Jumper podcast.

2) Everyone here appears to be an expert at poker and gambling. I am not. It's incredibly challenging to push someone in person when you're talking in their language. Could I have done better? Absolutely. There are probably some awesome questions I could have asked, but didn't on the spot because I'm not an expert and it was a new environment for me. If you expected better out of me, totally cool with that criticism. I usually don't have to really press someone in person on the spot. It's a skill I'd like to improve on.

3) This content is something I'd like to do more of and I figured this would provide a good chance to make a different type of video. As a YouTuber, you're always looking to keep the channel fresh and entertaining. Yes, the fake guru expose videos where I go at someone are great. But there's a concern of becoming stale and redundant. I thought making this video would be interesting and provide a good opportunity for me to figure out if people like a new style or if it's a style I'm good at.

4) I'm still just a YouTuber. I'm not an amazing award winning journalist who has experience going into people's house/condo/hotel room/etc. and confronting them on the spot and have amazing follow up questions at the ready. I can definitely get better at this and it's why I'm always cool with pushing myself to do something uncomfortable because it provides a good chance to learn and get better. I'm totally cool with the criticism and can understand why some people thought I was soft or didn't push hard enough. That **** is hard for real.

5) Because of this video, I gained a source inside the casino business who is turning out to be an awesome source for helping me understand this business better. I have since learned that Mikki is actually up at the casino he showed me in the app, while being down at 2 others. Looking back, it was kind of amateur of me to only see one casino tax statement and believe that represented that he was winning at every casino. Mistake on my part for not pushing a little more there.

6) I was not paid in any way or am a shill of Mikki. It's funny hearing this kind of stuff now that I'm a content creator. I wish I got paid lmao. He actually asked me to make episode 3 filming his NYE party and I passed. Looking back, there are probably a few things I should have added in the video to not make it appear so slanted in his favor.

7) Me claiming he's legit: in regards to gambling, I'll take the L on this one. My guess is he's down overall and it sounds like this forum would unanimously agree. I didn't do a good job of adding some nuance to this. I think the partying, women, pharmacy story, and some other stuff probably checks out and he did show gambling wins so in the moment I thought that maybe he was a winner at gambling too. If he ends up being down, I'll certainly take a big L here. I learned.

8) After further thought, I'm guessing that the winnings at gambling is a little bit of a facade. I just thought that there were a lot of instances of him winning, and I tried to find some source of info where people were claiming to lose staking him and I couldn't find any. The two guys in the $5k to $200k video I critiqued both said he's legit for a second time. Obviously they're not the best resources, but typically with fake gurus, you can find at least someone saying "this fake guru lost me so much money" and I just couldn't find any OR a bunch of people shitting on him. I figured if he was losing a bunch of money, then there'd be a group on Reddit or something. (I am aware that Mike V is now claiming to have lost $150k on Reddit. Me and him chat regularly about this. Wish it would have happened before part 2 so I could have leaned on that a little more.)

9) Crypto was the one area he said he didn't want to discuss. I didn't ask anything off camera about it.

10) We hung out for about 4 hours. He provided a couple sheets of notes he made regarding my first video including time stamps and his rebuttal. He was comfortable with me asking any question, never said anything that he later told me to cut, all of his friends said it's pretty remarkable what he does, they were blown away too by his entire lifestyle. Maybe I got a little caught up in the moment, but I just found it really interesting how he felt so open. Keep in mind that there was a lot of stuff we talked about off camera that weren't caught on film. We discussed everything.

My interpretation of his vibe was that he was legit. And I honestly feel like if some of the video's harshest critics were in my shoes and had the same experience I did, they'd probably be a little less harsh on the criticism. But I'm totally cool with any **** thrown my way. I personally think you can't grow unless you put yourself in challenging situations and this video was certainly challenging to make. I appreciated that he was the first guy to actually allow me to come over and ask questions and address claims I made.

Even if stuff comes out about Mikki down the road, I'm cool accepting a public L. It was a good learning experience and I hope to improve so I can make better content with each passing year.

Realistically, I was more interested in learning more about his story than I was exposing him. Given my audience and typical content, it was a little out of character and maybe why the video had a different tone. As a creator, it's always a tough battle to fight and something you're always trying to figure out.

Just a year ago, I was working a day job not related to anything I'm doing now. This YouTube success happens quickly and sometimes you stumble a little on your way to the top. Thanks for taking the time to read and looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
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01-06-2022 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by lwlee
Spencer,
Great stuff on your channel. Watched your interviews and collab with CoffeeZilla and Graham Stephan.

I had noted that you weren't a gambling expert when everyone was attacking you after the video. You accomplished your goal of creating an entertaining video about Mikki. Unique character exploding on the gambling world.

I had referred to a great gambling documentary called Inside The Edge, concerning card counting, where a top professional experienced incredible swings even though he had a distinct advantage. So guessing whether Mikki is up or down would require getting a full accounting of his numbers. One of the great thing about Mikki is that he's absolutely open about all his stuff. Since you now have access to him, what not ask for a more complete accounting. His two largest source of income were gambling and healthcare. I for one would really love to know more about how he made a fortune in healthcare to be able to retire. Maybe have a 2nd interview were you can discuss these details and perhaps gamble with Mikki. Ideally he should be gambling with a sizable amount. If he's legit, he shouldn't have any problem gambling with his own money.

The other question is if he had big losses at a couple of casinos, then why he is banned everywhere? If you have an insider, maybe they can ask those casinos the full reason why Mikki is banned. There are certain cases where whales are banned but in general, casinos love losers. Or heck ask Mikki himself. You are losing why are you banned.

Concerning crypto, a recent instagram had him mentioning ELON. If you have crypto investigative resources like CoffeeZilla, maybe dig more into that. Did he really have a big influence on it?

It was obvious you spent a great deal of time with Mikki and you saw how open he was. A big contrast to all the scammers you have encountered, who have threatened and sued you. It would be great to see a second more nuanced interview now that you've gotten your bearings. I would suggest you contact Dan_Druff aka Todd Witteles who has his own poker fraud website, Poker Fraud Alert. He has a lot of experience with exposing poker frauds. He also has a 2 hour interview with Mikki coming up very soon. So it might behoove you to watch that, whether Mikki is vindicated or exposed, hopefully we will have more information after that interview. My biggest concern was how mob-like the people on this forum was attacking Mikki without more concrete evidence.
why do you post the reply before the quote it’s kind of weird
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01-06-2022 , 10:28 AM
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why do you post the reply before the quote it’s kind of weird
Despite being absolutely ridiculous and incredibly tilting the simping is probably worse
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01-06-2022 , 11:22 AM
I’ve been studying psychology and in particular narcissistic personality disorder and mikki fits literally every category…

They tend to be super manipulative and friendly and lure you into believing their half truths and lies.

Most psychologists tell you to cut these type of people out of your life as they are very dangerous.

It’s both important in relationships (to get out) and to be aware that you are not being this way towards others.

A lot of time the narcissist will use money as a weapon to control others around them. Mikki most likely pays his entourage to maintain his image.

Mikki is also a “peoples person” or a “salesman”… but really he’s just a master manipulator preying on unsuspecting victims.

He’s personable and like able but it’s all a narcissistic rouse to get you to give him money, time, attention or whatever his fragile ego is seeking.
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01-06-2022 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by spencercornelia
5) Because of this video, I gained a source inside the casino business who is turning out to be an awesome source for helping me understand this business better. I have since learned that Mikki is actually up at the casino he showed me in the app, while being down at 2 others. Looking back, it was kind of amateur of me to only see one casino tax statement and believe that represented that he was winning at every casino. Mistake on my part for not pushing a little more there.
Good response, this was the only lol bad thing on your video imo, the rest was great work, oh and calling him legit based on this was really bad, like you really should correct that type bad
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01-06-2022 , 11:41 AM
Losses at other casinos would be unfavorable for Mikki's claims. However, even if he was up at those casinos it's irrelevant. Mathematically the games he is playing can not be beat. The fact that he is beating them is simply proof that his sample size is statistically insignificant.

Hell, UFC President Dana White is up many millions lifetime in blackjack. Dana White does not know how to card count. He thinks he has a system but he doesn't actually have a system that works. He has simply run above expectations over an insignificant sample size. If he were to quit his job and grind blackjack full time he would lose it all. In the meantime he can think he has an edge, because who wouldn't think that if they were up 8 figures vs the casinos?

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He’s personable and like able but it’s all a narcissistic rouse to get you to give him money, time, attention or whatever his fragile ego is seeking.
Good point. He probably craves the attention and the celebrity interactions more than he even cares about the money.
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01-06-2022 , 12:25 PM
Don Johnson figured out an unorthodox method of beating blackjack. Now the casinos have banned him from the games. People are always coming up with out of the box ways to win.

The man who broke Atlantic City

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Losses at other casinos would be unfavorable for Mikki's claims. However, even if he was up at those casinos it's irrelevant. Mathematically the games he is playing can not be beat. The fact that he is beating them is simply proof that his sample size is statistically insignificant.

Hell, UFC President Dana White is up many millions lifetime in blackjack. Dana White does not know how to card count. He thinks he has a system but he doesn't actually have a system that works. He has simply run above expectations over an insignificant sample size. If he were to quit his job and grind blackjack full time he would lose it all. In the meantime he can think he has an edge, because who wouldn't think that if they were up 8 figures vs the casinos?
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01-06-2022 , 12:34 PM
Yes, these days it's not unusual for players to get banned simply for winning. It seems executives don't want to take the short term risk even if they have a long-term edge.
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01-06-2022 , 02:55 PM
Spencer Cornelia just wanted to say thank you for posting and I respect you for being honest and real about the entire situation.
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01-06-2022 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by lwlee
Don Johnson figured out an unorthodox method of beating blackjack. Now the casinos have banned him from the games. People are always coming up with out of the box ways to win.

The man who broke Atlantic City
Nothing Don Johnson did was new. People have been using loss rebates to beat casinos for decades, it just isn’t as openly discussed as other methods. If someone is going to come up with something brand new, it’s not going to be Mikki, who isn’t even taking advantage of all the loss rebates he could have at his playing level and just today filmed himself playing video poker with 1 coin in. He doesn’t understand why that’s a problem or he wouldn’t have posted the video.

Mikki just today posted a story comparing himself to Phil Ivey, essentially saying that since Phil was playing Baccarat with an edge, it’s possible to beat the game and therefore he is a winning player. He doesn’t understand how to play video poker, but now he is an edge sorter and is managing to get away with it when Phil couldn’t?

It’s sad that people on this forum continue to entertain even the slightest possibility that he is anything other than what he is: an addicted gambler that has found a source of money (social media) that will feed his addiction….right up until the FBI comes in.
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01-07-2022 , 12:07 AM
Thanks for coming here and directly addressing the criticism Spencer...people will be unnecessarily dickish, so don't let it get to you.
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01-07-2022 , 12:12 AM
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Thanks for coming here and directly addressing the criticism Spencer...people will be unnecessarily dickish, so don't let it get to you.
The vast majority of posts have been very fair and most people have given Spencer deserved respect for coming on here with such an open post. However, I think the crucial point that has been made is that Spencer's second video is widely regarded as vindication that Mikki is legit. Unless Spencer sincerely believes this then leaving that video up is not a good look and potentially enables scamming.
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01-07-2022 , 01:48 AM
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The vast majority of posts have been very fair and most people have given Spencer deserved respect for coming on here with such an open post. However, I think the crucial point that has been made is that Spencer's second video is widely regarded as vindication that Mikki is legit. Unless Spencer sincerely believes this then leaving that video up is not a good look and potentially enables scamming.
Totally get that, but also think it's not unfair to give him a little bit of time to figure out how to best react/respond to this - doing it the wrong way has bigger ramifications for him and his channel personally, so it's understandable.

Regardless it's probably more than we can and would expect from most content creators.
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01-07-2022 , 02:06 AM
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Totally get that, but also think it's not unfair to give him a little bit of time to figure out how to best react/respond to this - doing it the wrong way has bigger ramifications for him and his channel personally, so it's understandable.

Regardless it's probably more than we can and would expect from most content creators.

The second video has been up over two weeks. I know it’s not easy to come up with a solution when you have dirty goth balls in your mouth but you would think you would figure it out sooner than 2 weeks.
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01-07-2022 , 08:42 AM
Easy to say it's obvious after the fact. Casinos have been banning card counters for decades. They pretty much got it down to a science. But still some people will figure out an innovative ways to win. No one else came as close to wrecking multiple casinos as he did. Have to give it to him for pushing the limit.

As for Mikki, let's figure out what he's got if anything before condemning.

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Nothing Don Johnson did was new. People have been using loss rebates to beat casinos for decades, it just isn’t as openly discussed as other methods. If someone is going to come up with something brand new, it’s not going to be Mikki, who isn’t even taking advantage of all the loss rebates he could have at his playing level and just today filmed himself playing video poker with 1 coin in. He doesn’t understand why that’s a problem or he wouldn’t have posted the video.
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01-07-2022 , 08:46 AM
Please stop putting your comment above the post you are referring to! Literally everyone else adds comments underneath because it gives the reader the context before the comment! And is the default
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01-07-2022 , 08:48 AM
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Please stop putting your comment above the post you are referring to! Literally everyone else adds comments underneath because it gives the reader the context before the comment! And is the default
Since you asked so nicely. Gotta give the people what they want.
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