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Old 10-03-2019, 10:51 PM   #2426
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

If this was a very simple system they were using, it would have been discovered months ago, this was simple in some ways but incredibly complex to ever be able to put together. You can't run out the same exact approach to each part of the plan every single time, you have to switch things up.

That's probably why Mike wasn't always in the #2 seat. I would be curious to see how often he was in the #2 seat the last 6 months. I imagine he started to play more in the #2 seat as he became a bigger star and then that just became his seat for unknown yet reasons.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:53 PM   #2427
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Yeah, I think it's smarter to follow the same evidence that's been used from the beginning - the results. Until someone can find hand histories where knowing the runout is the only way to explain plays, doesn't seem like there's a lot of point speculating in that direction.


Cool. I know from experience that a lot of the time, all the "make it stop" type posts can ruin threads as much, or more, than the problematic poster. And it makes the thread more difficult to moderate. Just trying to make NVG mods' lives easier.
true, I also just decided to stop talking to him a long time ago.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:53 PM   #2428
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Thanks for posting that Youtube video Loctus. I didn't know such technology existed.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:54 PM   #2429
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When his phone is in his lap he would only need about 5% of the left side of the screen visible to see the cards of up to 5 other people. So his phone is basically between his legs/under his legs, and he only has to look at an inch of the left side of the screen to see what he needs. Thats why it looks like he is hiding his phone because it litterally is hidden.

Or he is covering 90% of the screen with his hand. And if anyone peeked at his phone they would never suspect he is watching the live stream with no delay. They would just assume he was watching an older stream or something else.

Just to be clear, Mike Postle doesnt need to see his whole phone he only needs to see a small part of the screen. Hell he could cover the whole phone with his left arm then just slightly move his finger to see 5% of the screen and get the info he needs when he looks down.

Assume his hand and arm are completely covering his phone as if his phone is not even in his lap. Then when he looks down and acts like he is taking a second look at his cards he slightly moves his hand to see the 5% of the screen to see the hole cards of up to 5 opponents.

Thats what i think...

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Old 10-03-2019, 10:54 PM   #2430
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You don't need to know runouts if you know other peoples cards. A winning hand does not always need to go to showdown to win. He mainly won without showdown unless he "hero called" when someone bluffed at him with air and he called with worst possible pair / kicker.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:55 PM   #2431
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I wonder if this website is in Mike Postle's browser history:

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Old 10-03-2019, 10:55 PM   #2432
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. Why would investigators never ask Mike about this?
1. They are clueless/over their head.

Or

2. The individual/s investigating were in on it.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:55 PM   #2433
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When his phone is in his lap he would only need about 5% of the left side of the screen visible to see the cards of up to 5 other people. So his phone is basically between his legs/under his legs, and he only has to look at an inch of the left side of the screen to see what he needs. Thats why it looks like he is hiding his phone because it litterally is hidden.

Or he is covering 90% of the screen with his hand. And if anyone peeked at his phone they would never suspect he is watching the live stream with no delay. They would just assume he was watching an older stream or something else.

Just to be clear, Mike Postle doesnt need to see his whole phone he only needs to see a small part of the screen. Hell he could cover the whole phone with his left arm then just slightly move it to see 5% of the screen and get the info he needs when he looks down.

Thats what i think...
Didn't really need to see his phone at all if someone was communicating to him through his hat.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:55 PM   #2434
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Whenever JFK is away, he isn't able/doesn't superuse. Veronica made a twitter post that Mike plays way less and either looses or wins small when JFK is away. Joey's 3rd stream covers this.
I initially suspected that Mike could not superuse while Justin was away or in the commentary booth, but I have found an example of each of these instances.

1/7/2019:
Justin is in the Bahamas - His tweets are now protected, but he tweeted from the Pokerstars event in the Bahamas.
Mike is superusing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTfzycCEPtE

3/16/2019:
Mike is superusing while Justin is in the commentary booth - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t59ddLJv6mo

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There are times where Justin is standing at or near the table while Mike is superusing during that hand. I strongly believe Justin is in on it but I think there is either someone else in on it or Justin somehow relayed the cards preflop and walked to the table quite quickly. Does anyone know if there is a door near the table for employees to walk in and out of a few feet away to make this possible? It's also possible that during these occurrences they were still using phones and texting or whatever they did so texting Mike once and walking to the table afterwards was more than enough.
I've noticed instances of this as well. However, I only see Justin near the end of the hand. It would be very easy for him to relay the hands to Mike and then walk over to the table to observe the rest of the hand. Have you found any instances where Justin is there for a hand from start to finish?
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:56 PM   #2435
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I absolutely tried trust me. A lineup of Gman, Andy, Art, Postle, myself, berkey or another HS player in the mix would be so incredible. Have Doug and Joey commentating
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:57 PM   #2436
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https://youtu.be/aHmuAqJ_sVo

This show pushed me to go public
Haha I could tell that hand pushed you over the edge.

My post from yesterday:
"5:11:40 I think this hand has already been posted but definitely one that stood out. Flops tp and a gutter vs Marle. Calls a small cbet then folds turn with 2 flush draws out there. Veronica's reaction here is priceless. This may have been the final straw before she decided to come out."

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...=#post55473404

Thanks so much for speaking up, imagine it mustve been pretty hard, but we are all very thankful for you.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:57 PM   #2437
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Never trust a company or organization investigating itself! Those are pretty much worthless. A trusted 3rd party, with an outstanding reputation, needs to come in and do research! Only way Stone casino will come up with any sort of wrong doing will be because the evidence is already so damning. Even then they might try to minimize it and not find out everything that's going on.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:59 PM   #2438
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We really need to crowdfund Angry_Polak a freeroll in that Bike game.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:59 PM   #2439
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re: Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)

Why are the keys out so often?
Why do the keys never move?
Why is the phone under the lap the majority of the time?
What is MultiGFX and what does it do?
Who is in charge of the investigation?
Who was known to regularly watch an alternate stream in real time?
Why does he grab his head so often?
Who was in charge of the investigation?
Who was in charge of the show?
Who promoted the show the most?
Who marketed Postle as an actual GOD?
Who's idea was it to create Postle as a superstar after he said about 25325 times he was never in poker for the spotlight?

All of these should have some logical explanation.


Compare behaviors of various streams, compare who was working, compare play style, compare as many questions above.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:59 PM   #2440
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That isn't the point.

The point is to make a hypothesis and then research it w/ the hand histories to confirm or not. If you're an investigator on property w/ access to security cameras, this is much easier to find out.

Watching the sessions he ran like god, the ones he didn't, the newer ones (how did the strat develop), the older ones, looking at the facts we know so far. Why would investigators never ask Mike about this?
Joey i really think its obvious that hes cheating for sure.I think we need to consider that he had partner or 2 at the table. It wouldnt shock me if after few months of success they got even greedier and added a partner. May even be someone who mike bluffed it off to and got called knowing money stays in the team. This just feels so gross. Could you imagine if a winning player did this say at 10-20 and only used the info for big pots. If making right hero call/fold 2-3 times could be a huge 25k+ swing. Mike was so greedy or it never would have been caught. I think if they had more viewers people would have discovered it sooner.
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Old 10-03-2019, 11:00 PM   #2441
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If this was a very simple system they were using, it would have been discovered months ago, this was simple in some ways but incredibly complex to ever be able to put together. You can't run out the same exact approach to each part of the plan every single time, you have to switch things up.

That's probably why Mike wasn't always in the #2 seat. I would be curious to see how often he was in the #2 seat the last 6 months. I imagine he started to play more in the #2 seat as he became a bigger star and then that just became his seat for unknown yet reasons.

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I've been casually browsing this thread + watching some of Joey's investigation. I noticed that Mikey was often sitting in seat 1 or 2 which made me curious as to how often he was sitting in these seats and if there is any kind of discrepancy in his results/position.

I used the data from alecspade/js84;s posts and then checked which seats he was in using the stone's youtube channel to see which seat he was in for that day:

Here's the results:









Seems like seat 2 is the most favorable seat to get the least amount of airtime from the above camera angle:



**I couldn't find mike in two of the sessions from alec/js84's post so this is the results after 67 of the alleged 69 sessions mike played.






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Old 10-03-2019, 11:01 PM   #2442
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Didn't really need to see his phone at all if someone was communicating to him through his hat.
Like Joey said its a complex system and he could be using both. I for one believe more in the phone than the headset in the hat. But we dont know for certain what it is.
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Old 10-03-2019, 11:01 PM   #2443
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Yeah, I think it's smarter to follow the same evidence that's been used from the beginning - the results. Until someone can find hand histories where knowing the runout is the only way to explain plays, doesn't seem like there's a lot of point speculating in that direction.

I agree, there's plenty of proof just using his god like play and results, combined with him staring at his crotch every time he's in a hand. We should focus on that.

I mean anything's possible cause he's cheating scum, but better to concentrate on the obvious evidence.
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Old 10-03-2019, 11:01 PM   #2444
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Mike is superusing while Justin is in the commentary booth - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t59ddLJv6mo
So, in this clip... Now, this could be coincidence, but:

First Justin is commenting, right. Mike's superusing. Then at 3hrs 14mins, Justin leaves and is replaced by... Taylor Smith. He's the tech-team-guy who said that the famous 68 hand was actually 89ss in the holecard-swapping-incident

Coincidence......?
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Old 10-03-2019, 11:02 PM   #2445
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I am the guy that hero called Postle with JJ when he had 72. Immediately following the stream Postle came up to me and told me that wouldn't happen again and followed up with an open invitation to play whenever I would like.(In a non-threatening manner, but still implying he wanted a rematch)

During the WSOP I ran into Justin on break and was asked when I would be going back to stones to play, and that Mike really enjoyed my game. I asked when a good time would be and was told the games would be great after the series ended.

Before this scandal came out I invited Postle to come to LA to play in a LATB lineup that I was hosting on November 7th to see if/how he would play away from Stones Live. Him and I have chatted several times over the last couple days but I feel with how incriminating everything seems, and the prospect of him playing LATB slim to none, I will share the messages. It is unfortunate that this has happened to Stones because it really is a wonderful room and is one of the best atmospheres to play poker in. It is also unfortunate that those I am acquaintances with are under the microscope for simply commentating the games postle played in. I understand the reasoning behind why people are suspicious but Chris, Veronica and Kasey are all wonderful people.

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OH MY LITTLE LADY BRAIN!! how did I ever do this?
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Old 10-03-2019, 11:04 PM   #2446
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You don't need to know runouts if you know other peoples cards. A winning hand does not always need to go to showdown to win. He mainly won without showdown unless he "hero called" when someone bluffed at him with air and he called with worst possible pair / kicker.
However u have to admit it would help when calling 4 way pre flop with trash if you knew the flop
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Old 10-03-2019, 11:04 PM   #2447
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I think the commentators HIGHLY suspected he was cheating, but COULDN'T come right out and SAY it, so they went to the OPPOSITE end of the spectrum to get him caught, namely, the memes advertising his 'superpowers.' This got MORE attention on him, and when they felt they had ENOUGH attention, Veronica(?) came out and made the accusations for the 2nd time, and now it has gotten real attention..... I applaud her and the work Joe I have done.

SW
Makes a lot of sense, considering that people were being called liars for pointing it out. It would be difficult for them to prove it as well. In light of all the new evidence, this was a clever move if they were trying to get him caught.
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Old 10-03-2019, 11:05 PM   #2448
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https://youtu.be/bRgCvCTG_XQ?t=312



Yea I really don't know what to believe anymore, but that there are tons of different car-key-looking poker cheating devices, which read out coming cards and our known poker cheat has a headset and carkeys in front of him is hard to discard no matter what we've thought previously. Or it's a coincidence and a distraction. I don't even really care which it is, doesn't matter too much




^these are available in like, every different car brand there is, btw..
100 percent this. I have times where i have put my keys in cup holder in table in front of me because they are stabbing me in leg in my pocket but its not everytime and i wasn't under suspicion of cheating. I'd be curious what kind of car he has and what key fob he has. Theres no shot he would think to match the brand with his car.
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Old 10-03-2019, 11:05 PM   #2449
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So, in this clip... Now, this could be coincidence, but:

First Justin is commenting, right. Mike's superusing. Then at 3hrs 14mins, Justin leaves and is replaced by... Taylor Smith. He's the tech-team-guy who said that the famous 68 hand was actually 89ss in the holecard-swapping-incident

Coincidence......?
HOLY ****, you're right. I never really spotted any actual evidence implicating Taylor before.
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Old 10-03-2019, 11:05 PM   #2450
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The difference between his superusing sessions and his non-superusing sessions are so damning, IMO. You can't claim to play the 'same way for 16 years' then display completely different tendencies - which just so happens to coincide with a very rare big loss with multiple bad, fishy decisions.
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