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Old 10-03-2019, 10:13 PM   #2376
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I was fully on board with this, and even attacked people who kept mentioning key fobs or knowing future streets. But it just fits so precisely with him running massively over AIEV - together with the keyring device reading the top cards off the deck into his headphones
I'm glad you mentioned this - I actually just dug up two of those posts and was about to ask you why the change of heart. You were adamant at the time that there was nothing showing such an ability - that all could be explained by simply knowing other players' hold cards. But...I know this thread moves quickly, and there's always new evidence being posted. Did new evidence change your mind, or is it just a rethink of your earlier position?
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:15 PM   #2377
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It actually would be a software change and completely automated. They're commenting on delay so by the time they see the hands to comment on the hole cards would be filled in for the graphics, same as they are today.
Yeah probably. But on ESPN when they screw up a hole card and then fix it, they don't go back and fix the messed up part of the feed. That to me says they're creating a single stream stitched together from graphics and bouncing between cameras - and maybe for some reason it's hard to go back and fix graphics after the stream is saved.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:16 PM   #2378
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I'm glad you mentioned this - I actually just dug up two of those posts and was about to ask you why the change of heart. You were adamant at the time that there was nothing showing such an ability - that all could be explained by simply knowing other players' hold cards. But...I know this thread moves quickly, and there's always new evidence being posted. Did new evidence change your mind, or is it just a rethink of your earlier position?
The problem is those cards would need to be specially marked. The device can't read normal cards. It works off a camera that reads the edge of the cards - not RFID. So you'd have to sneak in specially marked cards - but also with the RFID to work with the readers. Seems like a tall order.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:17 PM   #2379
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I'm not on board.

A lot of those AI scenarios, he's ahead (because he has hole card info) and even when he's not, he knows he has equity (because he has hold card info) AND they're running it twice to smooth out the variance.
Running it twice would actually make it less likely to run really well. Though it would also be weirder to run it twice when you know the first runout (and that you win it, as he seems to have mostly done). Unless you know both runouts, but that'd be cumbersome to listen to and keep track off etc.

I don't know tbh, I really don't. Maybe it's not important in the end if he knows the runouts or not, or exactly what the headphones are for (runouts or holecards)... It's of lesser importance to other issues (his victims getting justice, him and his accomplices going down)

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I'm glad you mentioned this - I actually just dug up two of those posts and was about to ask you why the change of heart. You were adamant at the time that there was nothing showing such an ability - that all could be explained by simply knowing other players' hold cards. But...I know this thread moves quickly, and there's always new evidence being posted. Did new evidence change your mind, or is it just a rethink of your earlier position?
This post made me rethink it all: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=2265
I don't know what to think about it at this point. And again, maybe it doesn't even matter if that's what it is or not. It is bothersome how he wins so many all ins (could be just rungood, as I chalked it up to before I veered off on this tangent theory)

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Old 10-03-2019, 10:19 PM   #2380
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MP exaggerates his face expression dramatically. Every time he gets even the most timid compliment his eyes roll off to the side and he grins like it's too much and he's embarrassed. Best part

6:25

"Yeah I-I wasn't quite sure what they have --- of [course] -- I - uhh just - [I] the way *laughs and huffs twice* - sometimes the way someone looks at me, or the way they check, or the way they grab chips, whatever they do it's just one of those things where I felt like Dave can't call."

Justin seems like a not too bright fellow.

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Old 10-03-2019, 10:20 PM   #2381
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An explanation of how it was possibly done:

https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comme...ing_explained/
I like this theory but what about the hand where the card was changed in real time?
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:21 PM   #2382
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Really surprised the streams are still up, especially now they have a legal team on board.
The legal team is headed up by a former attorney of Stones owner, Ryan Stone. Not a very independent investigation IMO.

https://twitter.com/mac_verstandig/s...06940324859904

https://twitter.com/Angry_Polak/stat...25704667852801
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:22 PM   #2383
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While it's clear either GOD or cheater, this James Bond **** appears to rely on marked cards.

I truly do not believe marked cards were being used at Stones.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:22 PM   #2384
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EDIT: OH MY GOD THIS EXPLAINS THE SEATING PREFERENCE SO HE'S CLOSE TO THE DECK
right it does add an extra layer to why he prefers seat 1 and 2!

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I believe he just know's current cards and/or crude signals that indicate ahead/behind currently.
In one of the top 5 most shady hands....he calls multiple bets pre 3 handed (one opponent short and all in pre) with 95 off oop... flop is 9 J x and he immediately open jams POT to push out the only remaining player holding AQ (live but not much equity). There are other spots like this as well. If he knew the run outs...he'd be much more inclined to play check tanky/trappy which would both help him to win more $ and appear more soul-ready God-like.

edit: add to the fact that knowing current cards + future run out adds additional complexity to the intercepting, organizing, and communicating the data back to the villain. Let's pretend he has no visuals and only audio (alleged hat stuffing device) or buzzer on body (old school style). That would start to become too many signals to interpret while still playing the game and putting at least some sort of acting job out.
The majority believe he has access to holecards, no one really, including myself, believed he had access to future community cards. You don't really need them to win as holecards themselves gives you such an advantage. its just a theory that fits into why he always has his keys on the table and why he would need a device in his had when he has the holecards on his phone already


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I get that. My point is if he was using his keys to see future streets he would be able to do that even with JFK away. That leads me to believe he either doesn't use that technology or he started using it after JFK came back from Vegas.
He would need JFK to drop the setup of marked cards on the table for the game. That does raise a good point that he would not need JFK to tap into a twitch stream since he would already have the key to access the stream, so he could continue superusing without him. Maybe they just agreed to not superuse when JFK was away? Also possible he started using the technology more recently, I guess we can only examine the hands for knowing community card knowledge when his keys are on the table?

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In one hand he also slow plays AA on the flop in a 4 bet pot only to have his opponent hit runner runner flush.Mike makes the hero laydown on the river of course but wouldn't slow play if he knew the runout. I don't know if keys were on the table or not.
Good point, I remember this hand but hard to dive deep without the actual hand in question to review. Either the theory is incorrect, he wasn't using the tech at the time or he didn't think he could get a fold.

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Do you really think he would get some key camera to work from this angle? He plays like +90% of time at that seat.

No, because that isn't what he is doing.
its not a key camera. it reads cards marked on the sides of the cards. can be done with the phone or an accompanying keylike device purchasable by anyone from china. im not 100% convinced he is using this tech either, but its worth keeping an eye out for it bc it ties up a lot of loose ends.

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I was thinking about the supposed rfid error in the 86o versus 96 hand. There should be a pretty easy way to detect whether the 86o was in fact being misread as 89. According to Berkey and Feldman the only way this could occur is if the cards themselves were assigned incongruous codes. So in principle we can go back over all the footage for that night and check whether the 8 or 9 appeared in any video footage from that night. If those cards appear on the board, we can check if they are misread on the graphics. Since the 8 appears on average in 5 out of 52 flop/turn/rivers, it shouldn't take more than 10 showdown hands to find that card. Same for the 9. One of those cards should appear on the flop/turn/river within 5 showdown hands. If Stones is using two decks, we would have to skip over every other showdown hand from the 86o hand. That could take twice the time, but still we shouldn't have to check more than 10 showdown hands.
good point, here is the hand in question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg34...outu.be&t=6052

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****ing keys and future reading. I'm out. It was epic two-three days, now it's getting out of hand.
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Yeah, it's heading off the rails now.

If he's cheating (and it looks like it), it's simple. He's getting fed hole card info via his phone/audio in his hat and using that to make improbable, yet highly profitable plays.

No keys, no phones reading cards or any other James Bond-esque ****.
yea its definitely a crazy theory

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I was fully on board with this, and even attacked people who kept mentioning key fobs or knowing future streets. But it just fits so precisely with him running massively over AIEV - together with the keyring device reading the top cards off the deck into his headphones
yea this is where I am at now. it just fits so well, and ties up all the loose ends that couldn't be completely explained. just gona keep an eye out for it i guess and make sure were not married to the idea just bc it fits well.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:23 PM   #2385
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While it's clear either GOD or cheater, this James Bond **** appears to rely on marked cards.

I truly do not believe marked cards were being used at Stones.
Good maybe someone will read this - since I think everyone has me on ignore at this point.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:24 PM   #2386
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An explanation of how it was possibly done:

https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comme...ing_explained/
Yep
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:24 PM   #2387
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Just waiting for the post that says "Search Warrant Executed."
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:25 PM   #2388
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How can some of the commentators praising and making dumb memes about postles "abilities" not also know what was happening tho?
I think the commentators HIGHLY suspected he was cheating, but COULDN'T come right out and SAY it, so they went to the OPPOSITE end of the spectrum to get him caught, namely, the memes advertising his 'superpowers.' This got MORE attention on him, and when they felt they had ENOUGH attention, Veronica(?) came out and made the accusations for the 2nd time, and now it has gotten real attention..... I applaud her and the work Joe I have done.

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Old 10-03-2019, 10:25 PM   #2389
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I think they've been using a combined strategy using multiple methods - this would explain the hat, the phone, the keys.

Using the multigfx feature - anyone can access the stream w/ the right information.

I'm told Justin sat in the back of the room on a regular basis watching the stream on his phone and talking into a microphone on a consistent basis by former employees of Stones.

As noted earlier - the keys are used as a reader which transmit information assuming the deck in play is marked and can identify future cards.

If this was something where someone was simply feeding him in real time hole card information - it wouldn't explain other things and he would have been caught sooner.


It was a combination of the hat, keys, marked cards, stream access.

This explains how he knew the perfect spots to take hands down so often and when not to. It also explains why he would float so often w/ random weak hands (part image/part balance/part to see what might come)

It seems as if he had access to future cards not all the time - maybe they couldn't get a deck in play on those sessions. Check the tape and check where the decks came from.

THE REASON WHY THIS WORKED IS BECAUSE THEY MIXED UP THEIR STRAT

They've been gaslighting their community to make them think Postle is a ****ing GOD the entire time. Employees asked for an investigation and Mike was never asked, they were ignored and called LIARS.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:26 PM   #2390
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https://youtu.be/aHmuAqJ_sVo

This show pushed me to go public
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:26 PM   #2391
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Good maybe someone will read this - since I think everyone has me on ignore at this point.
It has started again. Can someone make it stop?
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:27 PM   #2392
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The commentary is great in that one.

"It's as if they're playing face up."
In the past he's talked about how when he had 45o and got it in against AK and AK it was cause he said he was gonna Moneymaker the Moneymaker. (I guess 45o is a hand that MoneyMaker is known for in some capacity). When he had 49o and made a miraculous play, he referenced the 49ers football team. So with this T2 hand I can only imagine he channeled the likes of Doyle Brunson.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:27 PM   #2393
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Running it twice would actually make it less likely to run really well. Though it would also be weirder to run it twice when you know the first runout (and that you win it, as he seems to have mostly done). Unless you know both runouts, but that'd be cumbersome to listen to and keep track off etc.

I don't know tbh, I really don't. Maybe it's not important in the end if he knows the runouts or not, or exactly what the headphones are for (runouts or holecards)... It's of lesser importance to other issues (his victims getting justice, him and his accomplices going down)

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This post made me rethink it all: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=2265
I don't know what to think about it at this point. And again, maybe it doesn't even matter if that's what it is or not. It is bothersome how he wins so many all ins (could be just rungood, as I chalked it up to before I veered off on this tangent theory)
https://youtu.be/Eg34YTF-meA?t=13754

He does not know run outs. He gets it all in with 54os vs AK vs AK for 3k and loses the first run out.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:27 PM   #2394
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If he plays on LATB, it'll be the biggest stream of all time. Make it happen!

Get Gman, Andy, Art & Bart Hanson in the game for the lulz.
this is a reverse freeroll
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:29 PM   #2395
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I said it earlier in this thread but i think now more than ever it needs to be looked into. Just look at how greedy they are and flaunting it they clearly are convinced they are ging to ge away with it. I feel like they did it for a while just with mike realized that wow this is working and probably got others in on it. If your greedy to have this clown winning at this win rate why not add another or even 2 more players. I was happy when doug said it on stream but i think we need to be looking at others who are winning. Even look at some of the people who heroed mike super late knowing that it looks good mike losing a pot and the money stays in the team. I just feel like if these guys are this greedy why would they stop with just mike?

More and more people are speculating how he could have cheated without someone on this inside. I feel like we should looking at anyone whos a mega crusher with rfid in play because this could be happening in other games where they aren't as greedy. Imagine if mike didnt have the iq of a grapefruit? He could have just looked in the big pots. After watching hours of vids i doubt mike could break even in the game without cheating. I don't want to say sky is falling but we may want to look around not only in this game but other games.

Either way awesome job mike (everyone knows your watching this thread) way to put a stain on poker and keep people from joining for fear. Even today i hear random people saying all online is rigged and tell me to look up potripper.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:29 PM   #2396
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Lol at nut flush vs. Straight flush check call river line. That may be most ridiculous hand so far which is saying something.
Why would you want a mega nit like this in your games if hes not cheating anyway? Seems its impossible to get money out of him.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:29 PM   #2397
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This thread is hard enough to follow without every 3rd post being from the same person.

I had to make an account just to put that out there but while I'm here. I've seen enough to be sure this guy is a cheating rat. I hope Postle and anyone else involved get what they deserve.
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:30 PM   #2398
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It has started again. Can someone make it stop?
As far as I know I'm the first one who pointed out the James Bond thing relies on marked cards - which I can see where people missed because he kind of just barely mentions it in the video.

Exactly what have you contributed?
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:30 PM   #2399
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No keys, no phones reading cards or any other James Bond-esque ****.
Honestly, if you think this sort of thing is James Bond-esque **** in 2019 then you are a sucker looking to be taken advantage of. This sort of thing is not that fantastical. There has been similar technology used by cheaters for years. Of course to pull it off one needs an inside man (check) and probably a seat close to the deck (check).
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Old 10-03-2019, 10:32 PM   #2400
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We really need to stop looking for more postle hands and look for whoever else may be cheating. We are all in agreement hes definitely cheating but if we focus all out time on him if theres others in the game cheating we don't want them to get away with it.
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